Perkins has been a serious beast lately; it should continue

[SLCceltic]

perk has stopped playing football and is playing some serious basketball

Clifford Ray has been great



This is the official got love for perk thread
i did a thread a while back doggin perk, but he doing his thing at the right time

go perk

[Bleeding Green]

I love Perk.

I remember railing him about rebounding like a small forward like 5 weeks ago and he's been an absolute monster since then. The moral of the story is that Kendrick Perkins reads my posts.

[John Locke]

What about Leon Powe? He has avarged 10.4 points and 7.2 rebounds in less than 20 minutes per game, the last five games. Now THAT's a beast.

[elrod enchilada]

Agree, John Locke.

I have always been a Perk fan, and he has developed nicely. Especially on the defensive end. He is our only big (aside from KG, of course) who can guard post players over 6-10 effectively. (Well, maybe PJ Brown will be able to do that in spurts. I hope so.)

But Powe is out-Perking Perk on the boards and offensively. Powe's ability to get to the line is a Godsend for a team that has precious little post offense, especially in the second unit. He is also flashing that jump shot from 12-15 feet, the one Perk has to develop in the coming year or two to take his game up a notch. (Rumor has it, Perk buries that shot in practice.) Aside from the Big Three, the two guys I really like to see on the floor are Rondo and Powe. Good things happen when they are on the floor.

[Celtics_85]

Powe has definately solidified himself as the first big off the bench. This should be the case when the playoffs start with PJ getting the minutes when Garnett is on the bench.

[elrod enchilada]

PS-- There is another thread about trading Powe this off-season to clear space for Big Baby at the 4.

I love Big Baby but you just don't trade guys like Powe, unless you are getting a lot more than what that thread proposed.

I live in the midwest so on NBA ticket I get the other team's announcers when the Cs play on the road. I wish the Boston-based fans could see how these announcers invariably respond when Powe gets in the game and starts grabbing boards and scoring inside and drawing charges. They start going nuts if they haven't seen him in action before. No one can stop him. Who is this guy?

The ESPN and TNT guys have done enough Cs games to know what the Cs have in Powe. They have religion.

All I know is I want Powe on my side. He can be our Paul Silas, with a tad less passing ability and a lot more offense. Silas is the gold standard for 6th man bangers, becasue his work ethic, IQ and heart were off the charts. So that is meant as high praise.

[John Locke]

PS-- There is another thread about trading Powe this off-season to clear space for Big Baby at the 4.

I love Big Baby but you just don't trade guys like Powe, unless you are getting a lot more than what that thread proposed.

I live in the midwest so on NBA ticket I get the other team's announcers when the Cs play on the road. I wish the Boston-based fans could see how these announcers invariably respond when Powe gets in the game and starts grabbing boards and scoring inside and drawing charges. They start going nuts if they haven't seen him in action before. No one can stop him. Who is this guy?

The ESPN and TNT guys have done enough Cs games to know what the Cs have in Powe. They have religion.

All I know is I want Powe on my side. He can be our Paul Silas, with a tad less passing ability and a lot more offense. Silas is the gold standard for 6th man bangers, becasue his work ethic, IQ and heart were off the charts. So that is meant as high praise.

Great post Elrod, and a very good comparison.

[bruno sundov]

Ever since that 1 rebound performance Perk has been on a tare!!! Perk and Powe have helped KG w/ the rebounding load so much this year. Paul has also he been great rebounding the ball.

[UGA Hayes]

The development of our younger players through the course of the year has been pretty remarkable. I just feel like all of them are better bball players then when the season started. Because of it we are in a very good situation for the future.

On Perkins. It was pretty cool to hear Hubie Brown rave about Perkins during the game yesterday. Hubie can be on the optimistic side to say the least but you could tell how much he loved him.

Incidently I thought it was interesting to him him gush about Foster as well and how he tried to get him every offseason. I think he is a guy to keep an eye on if Pacers have a firesale.

[SLCceltic]

powe has done his thing from almost the start---was 20 and 10 in the pac-10, always driven
it has taken the highschool kid a while, but we are seeing a different perk


powe is my man off the bench and baby, but perk is slightly ahead of both in beast-iality right now with his height

baby will ultimately become the biggest beast of all

love you perk and granpa cliffy

[MyInsatiableOne]

We gotta keep Powe...he's a known quantity who delivers.

[billfromBoston]

PS-- There is another thread about trading Powe this off-season to clear space for Big Baby at the 4.

I love Big Baby but you just don't trade guys like Powe, unless you are getting a lot more than what that thread proposed.

I live in the midwest so on NBA ticket I get the other team's announcers when the Cs play on the road. I wish the Boston-based fans could see how these announcers invariably respond when Powe gets in the game and starts grabbing boards and scoring inside and drawing charges. They start going nuts if they haven't seen him in action before. No one can stop him. Who is this guy?

The ESPN and TNT guys have done enough Cs games to know what the Cs have in Powe. They have religion.

All I know is I want Powe on my side. He can be our Paul Silas, with a tad less passing ability and a lot more offense. Silas is the gold standard for 6th man bangers, becasue his work ethic, IQ and heart were off the charts. So that is meant as high praise.

...I think many Celtics fans still don't understand how good a Perk/KG/Powe big man rotation will be for this team going forward...whether Davis has enough to be the backup center full-time remains to be seen, but I don't think he'll ever pass Powe on the depth chart...I was a big Davis fan in college, but I always liked Powe more...Davis really doesn't have any physical advantages over Powe athletically....Davis puts the ball on the deck marginally better and has better passing ability, but these aren't going to be differentiating qualities...even at a trim 265 I don't think Davis is better...

...but Perkins is still the most underrated Celtic of all I think...in 2 seasons fans will be ecstatic to have him as our starter and will be shocked to see him producing double-double numbers nightly...he never should have come out from HS and had to sit for 2 years because of it...if he'd gone to Memphis with Calipari he'd have developed his overall game much more and would have been better pro coming out of college...

...but the C's will be the beneficiaries of their patience and should get another 10 years of quality production from Perk...I think he's a double-double guy for years to come and his role will increase in the post as KG ages and becomes more of a spot up shooter...

...IMO, Powe and Perk will be big time Celtics producers for years to come barring some unforseen acquisition of impact or either player pricing themselves out of their actual value-unlikely to happen...

[BobbySura]

perk has been playing great but i think kg deserves some credit for it. i dont get to see a lot of games but the ones i do, it seems like KG goes out of his way to get perk active in the offense. it seems like he's always looking for an open perk.

[Bad-Thoma]

Perk will eat your family if you mess with him. He's turned into a great complimentary player for KG, always in the right spot at the right time when the defense rotates, and this year he finishes. He's been my favorite player for the last 3 years, just cause he is down right nasty when he gets down to business. Someday he'll gain a little confidence and be able to hit a jumper or 2, he works to hard on his game to not get there.

[SLCceltic]

[quote="billfromBoston"][/quote]

powe is an overachieving role player that will kick ass for a while
baby wont pass him this year, but will by next year

they are serving the same purpose on the o-boards

baby is a facilitator that can put the ball on the floor-------his sheer size will make him a legit starter
the other thing powe does for us is catch the ball on the way to the basket and has some post moves

but so does davis
davis should become a notch above perk

[UGA Hayes]

[quote="billfromBoston"][/quote]

I think Perk made the absolute right move to come out in high school. He got lucky that he was drafted by such a prospect development oriented GM in Ainge but I think there is no way Perk would have been better off in college.

I don't think he would have had the same physical conditioning program in college. The only two guys who are physically developed on Memphis came in that way in Dorsey and Rose. The rest of them look like they spend all of their time smoking pot.

Also how many touches do you think Perk would have in college? What exposure to big men coaches would he have gotten? How well would he have been able to work through the 5 foul rule? etcetera.

Did you watch Kevin Love get frozen out of the offense against Memphis yesterday. If a player like that can't get a touch what could Perkins expect?

[billfromBoston]

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I think Perk made the absolute right move to come out in high school. He got lucky that he was drafted by such a prospect development oriented GM in Ainge but I think there is no way Perk would have been better off in college.

I don't think he would have had the same physical conditioning program in college. The only two guys who are physically developed on Memphis came in that way in Dorsey and Rose. The rest of them look like they spend all of their time smoking pot.

Also how many touches do you think Perk would have in college? What exposure to big men coaches would he have gotten? How well would he have been able to work through the 5 foul rule? etcetera.

Did you watch Kevin Love get frozen out of the offense against Memphis yesterday. If a player like that can't get a touch what could Perkins expect?

I hear what you're saying UGA, but I disagree....Perkins was the TOP ranked Center in HS and the NCAA level is much, much easier than the NBA level...Perkins has the reach and size to be dominant on the low block in college and has always had good hands with a soft touch around the hoop...Memphis would have fed him the ball frequently and his offensive game would be more developed because of it-this is MO only, but I believe it is correct...

There is no question that Perk's PHYSICAL development was accelerated on the NBA level because of the S&T he got his first 2 years...but his overall skillset on offense would have been better...never would have fouled or gotten foul calls like that on the NCAA level either because he would have been a star very quickly...plus, they let a TON more contact go in college..

[billfromBoston]

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powe is an overachieving role player that will kick ass for a while
baby wont pass him this year, but will by next year

they are serving the same purpose on the o-boards

baby is a facilitator that can put the ball on the floor-------his sheer size will make him a legit starter
the other thing powe does for us is catch the ball on the way to the basket and has some post moves

but so does davis
davis should become a notch above perk

....no....

Davis has to get in peak physical condition before he's even competing with Powe for PT and he doesn't have one skill that appreciably better-not rebounding, shooting, FTs, post game, defense...Davis has a better passing eye and is marginally better dribbling, but none of the bread-and-butter things they'll be required to do in the league are much different and Powe is more explosive athletically...

Only way Davis passes Powe on the depth chart or as a player overall is if he masters the face-up jumper before Powe does...that's all it really boils down to for undersized 4's in the league....starting 4's have to hit the 12-15 foot jumper with regularity and both Powe and Davis are still working to become consistent with this, though both have shown potential to do so...

Davis has to get himself in better shape AND develop the jumper, Powe just needs the jumper...I don't see Davis passing Powe anytime soon...I like both, but if i was choosing I'd take Powe at this point...the "overachiever" is one of the top 10 subs off the bench in the league since becoming the first big off the bench...that's not something easily accomplished...

[humblebum]

Perk, Powe and Davis are definitely unsung heros on the team. They all add a necessary element of toughness and energy.

In the Powe vs. Davis debate, I think that both are high value players. I really see Davis as more of the type who "thinks" the game of basketball at a higher level than Powe. Davis has been pretty sharp all season long with his defensive rotations. He will only get sharper from here on out. As he develops his body and learns to eat right he will be even quicker than he is now. He'll be able to switch out on pick and rolls against much quicker players because he has exceptional footwork and he knows how to position himself to take angles away from offensive players. He's also better able to push C's and tall PF's away from the basket, then using his core/leg strength to deny the offensive players good post position.

Offensively I see Powe/Davis as a potentially devastating duo as Glen develops more confidence in his face up, dribble and passing game. I think Davis' passing will eventually rival his O board ability/hands for his most unique and valuable offensive skill. Big men with the ability to see the court and pass like Davis are pretty rare commodities in the NBA.

I don't want to make it seem that I think Davis is the better player or that we should keep him over Powe, but I don't think Powe is the clear cut better prospect than Davis. I think the Celtics would do very very well to keep both of these guys around for the long haul.

[Celtics_85]

There is no reason these two can't play together on the court. They both produce with rebounds, defense, and a few points. We can find big defensive Center to bring in when needed.