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Just wondering what the board thinks about getting Ryan back. Here are a few of my thoughts:

~ First and foremost we have to look at the free agent market. We will only have our exceptions to use, most notably are MLE. If there is someone better than Ryan who will sign for the mle we probably have to take it.

~ Next we have to look at Posey, and Powe. Will they be back next year? If Posey opts out could Ryan play the three and take Poseys spot? Also as posted in another thread, Powe's trade value may never be any higher.

~ How much are we willing to spend on Gomes. Personally if we can lock him up for MLE money for 5 or 6 years, I would be verry happy. I think he is a player that will show moderate improvement year after year.

Now I know there was recently an article about him wanting to stay in Minny, but Danny praised him after he left and I think he would be on great terms to come back. So the question is, does the board still have any love for Ryan Gomes?

We need Posey back, he's too important to our defensive scheme. I love Gomes on the other hand and a bench of Sammy, House, Posey, TA, BBD and Powe is amazing and would limit the number of mins the Big Three would have to play

I was never that enamored with Gomes' game. He was a nice player on a crappy team and still is, but I see no use for him on this team. He is at best a number 10 guy. I'd take Davis, Powe, House, and obviously Posey over him.

I like our defense too much to want to go watering it down with Gomes. (And at least our current undersized 4s can play D.) It's going to be bad enough losing Tom T. next year anyway.

Gomes is a drop defensively from Posey at the 3, but he's a bona-fide 6th man on offense and gives the team versatility...down the line he's got the talent to take the 3 spot from PP once PP is nearing the end...


However...

...signing a full MLE guy probably isn't worth it to this team...while GPA are in their primes it makes more sense to manage the cap and keep a ton of financial flexibility...I'd be looking to extend Posey for 2 more seasons, bringing his total to 3 more years...re-sign Eddie House to 3 years on short money...give TA the QO...then start exploring the trade market with Scal's contract, Davis, Powe, Pruitt, and whomever the 30 pick is...once the team has an understanding of the value of their younger players, they can make decisions on re-signing the ones they want to keep and moving the ones that will out-price themselves once they hit the market....

...the team's whole focus is the walk year's of RA and PP...the team will have the ability to make the moves that guarantee an extended title window with Rondo as the centerpiece...all 3 of GPA may be retained at reduce cost depending on their production value and market price, but the team should have at least 10-12 million dollars to play with on the market if they stay smart and limit the deals they give out over the next 3 seasons...

...don't expect any big time signings that extend beyond PP's walk year besides the obvious re-signing of Rondo and probable re-signing of Powe after next season...

I agree with most of what Bill says, except Gomes having the talent to become a quality starting SF.

The wing position is one of the most easily filled positions in the NBA, and I think he is more of a bench position talent.

A very good bench player, but if he is starting, your team probably is studying the draft very closely.

For the right money, I'd love to have Ryan back. I don't think he'll ever be a star, but he does a lot of things well that can help a team win.

Wouldn't want any of those former Celtics back, except Al obviously, in a couple years..

No to Gomes. I like Baby, Powe and Posey better. They are all tougher players and better defenders. This team is built on defense and Gomes doesn't play any.

That's what's so nice about the current team: they can and do play defense well without having any real offensive liabilities. Perk and Posey and maybe TA are considered defensive specialists, but they also come through okay within their roles on the offensive side.

(And yes, I do hardly think of Scal as being on the team anymore!)

cisco wrote:No to Gomes. I like Baby, Powe and Posey better. They are all tougher players and better defenders. This team is built on defense and Gomes doesn't play any.

exactly, stating that Gomes is a drop defensively from Posey at the 3 is a gross understatment. absolute no to gomes

If we spent the full MLE or close to it it'd need to be on something more than Gomes, who'd end up just being the 8th, 9th, or 10th guy for the C's. I do like what he brings offensively off the bench and maybe he would be improved in our system and with KG defensively, but I don't think that risk is worth close to the MLE. If he gives the C's a hometown/first team discount, then definitely bring him in.

I don't see how Gomes does anything for us that Powe can't. If we are talking about the SF spot where Gomes is a bit too slow - we can easily draft and develop a legit SF to augment Paul rather then a tweener like Gomes.

At the PF spot Gomes doesn't give you enough rebounding or D - so Powe is the better answer. We are talking about very limited minutes here and every guy we sign needs to fill a definite need. These guys aren't development projects anymore.

Pete

billfromBoston wrote:Gomes is a drop defensively from Posey at the 3, but he's a bona-fide 6th man on offense and gives the team versatility...down the line he's got the talent to take the 3 spot from PP once PP is nearing the end...


However...

...signing a full MLE guy probably isn't worth it to this team...while GPA are in their primes it makes more sense to manage the cap and keep a ton of financial flexibility...I'd be looking to extend Posey for 2 more seasons, bringing his total to 3 more years...re-sign Eddie House to 3 years on short money...give TA the QO...then start exploring the trade market with Scal's contract, Davis, Powe, Pruitt, and whomever the 30 pick is...once the team has an understanding of the value of their younger players, they can make decisions on re-signing the ones they want to keep and moving the ones that will out-price themselves once they hit the market....

...the team's whole focus is the walk year's of RA and PP...the team will have the ability to make the moves that guarantee an extended title window with Rondo as the centerpiece...all 3 of GPA may be retained at reduce cost depending on their production value and market price, but the team should have at least 10-12 million dollars to play with on the market if they stay smart and limit the deals they give out over the next 3 seasons...

...don't expect any big time signings that extend beyond PP's walk year besides the obvious re-signing of Rondo and probable re-signing of Powe after next season...

We've gone over this before, but even when Ray walks, they'll have $44 million committed to three guys (Perk, KG and PP). Rondo will most surely be extended and the way he is playing that means no less than $6-7 million a year to start off. Factor in a few first round draft picks, cap holds for the minimum roster, and an extension for at least one of Powe/Davis and that $10-12 million quickly drops to under $5m even if the cap is up around $60 million. Far more likely IMO is that Danny continues to look for value with undervalued vets, late first round picks and makes one big "score" in the next three years for a MLE guy. Agreed that Ryan Gomes is a nice player, but not worth the full MLE.

I really hope that the MLE gets us a good backup center.

I don't have any clue what his market value would be, but Gomes would be a great bench contributor in my book. If Ray Allen can suddenly become a defender at this point in his career, I think Ryan could probably pull it off also. Obviously you wouldn't overspend to get him here, but I think it wouldn't take much to get him to come back either, he loved playing here when we sucked. Of course, it all depends on who is out there that better fills a need, but Ryan wouldn't even remotely detract from this bench.

Gomes is a workhorse type player. Every year in the league he has improved. I see him as having the career of a Rick Fox type of guy(without the traitor-part). Leon has been such a big surprise for me, that now I'd probably rather have Powe on the team than Gomes, but at the time of the trade, I was unhappy that we had to include Gomes.

Powe and Posey>>>>>Gomes IMO. If Posey somehow stays and Gomes comes on board, Posey puts Gomes into Tony's situation, no minutes.

1. Gomes doesnt' fill a need. We have plenty of undersized PFs, as well as a pair of SFs who between them should be on the court 70 or so minutes/game.
2. Posey has to be retained. This probably can be done without dipping into the MLE IF there's another good use for it. I.e, give him a legal-maximum raise (20%) with another 1 year option, then switch to using Early Bird rights when he opts out again.
3. Full MLE signings occasionally go VERY well. Billups, although technically he wasn't one might as well have been. I think Turkoglu was one. Usually they're busts, especially among tall stiffs and undersized PFs.
4. I think Tony is one of those players who'd benefit from security rather than a change of scenery. I think he can, should, and will be retained. I also think at least one of Cassell or House will be retained. Along with the 3 starters and Posey, that gives us six primary players on the perimeter. Beyond that, we can go with young guys rather than proven vets.
5. Even with the most favorable view of the KG/Perk/Leon rotation, we can use another true big. I'd think MLE resources would be focused there, if possible.

We have Powe and Davis we don't need Gomes. And if you're referring to him playing the 3 that would be embarassing to watch him try to defend the good 3's in this league.