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Posted: Thu May 1, 2008 11:41 pm
by rsceltic34
The Hawks have attempted 50 more free throws in this series than the Celtics. For all us math wizes thats an average of a possible 10 points a game.
Thats huge in a series that could end up going seven games. Does everyone feel that the Hawks are taking the ball to the basket that much more than the C's.
I honestly dont believe so all im saying is that usually when both teams are equally aggressive the free throws are usually much more similar in attempts.
The numbers back my point! Its not like the C's are jump shot happy.
Points in the paint this series:::
Hawks = 172
Celtics = 178
Posted: Fri May 2, 2008 1:02 am
by Truthiracy
Good point, refs have been putrid this series.
Posted: Fri May 2, 2008 1:36 am
by SonicYouth34
LucerneStDoggz wrote:Good point, refs have been putrid this series.
Posted: Fri May 2, 2008 1:39 am
by ParticleMan
Game 4 was terrible. I know the aggressive team gets calls but the officials took it to a new low. The C's got absolutely NO calls and they were purposely attacking the rim. Pierce, Rondo, and KG all had plays where they were clearly fouled and got nothing. Which is fine, except that on the other end every ticky tack thing was being called. It was pretty ridiculous.
Give the hawks credit, tho, they've been making their FTs
Posted: Fri May 2, 2008 5:02 am
by CatNation
hawks are the young aggressive slashing team, whereas boston is a jump shooting team. you dont get fouled that often on jumpshots. rondo is pretty aggressive, but he has to be pretty terrified of josh smith by now, especially on those fast breaks
Posted: Fri May 2, 2008 5:06 am
by mr_sunshine
DJ Sueko wrote:hawks are the young aggressive slashing team, whereas boston is a jump shooting team. you dont get fouled that often on jumpshots. rondo is pretty aggressive, but he has to be pretty terrified of josh smith by now, especially on those fast breaks
Yet a jump shooting team has more points in the paint? HRRRRRRRRM. Something is a bit suspect there.
Posted: Fri May 2, 2008 7:26 am
by tlee324
So, we have Boston with more points in the paint, but a tremendous differential in free throw attempts to ATL... not to mention a complete BS 25,000 dollar fine on the team's leading scorer AND Stern attending a game in ATL when the biggest margin of FT attempts occurred, KG gets headbutted with no repercussion, and ATL wins the game...
Would someone objectively try and explain this crap?
Posted: Fri May 2, 2008 8:04 am
by MaxwellSmart
BadMuthaCeltic wrote:So, we have Boston with more points in the paint, but a tremendous differential in free throw attempts to ATL... not to mention a complete BS 25,000 dollar fine on the team's leading scorer AND Stern attending a game in ATL when the biggest margin of FT attempts occurred, KG gets headbutted with no repercussion, and ATL wins the game...
Would someone objectively try and explain this crap?
You forgot about the shot clock in game 3...and the 24 second Horn Blower in game 4....pretty amateur stuff.
Posted: Fri May 2, 2008 9:12 am
by mr_sunshine
BadMuthaCeltic wrote:So, we have Boston with more points in the paint, but a tremendous differential in free throw attempts to ATL... not to mention a complete BS 25,000 dollar fine on the team's leading scorer AND Stern attending a game in ATL when the biggest margin of FT attempts occurred, KG gets headbutted with no repercussion, and ATL wins the game...
Would someone objectively try and explain this crap?
Ya know thinking about it, the reason for the C's leading points in the paint could be that they don't count FTs made after a foul in the paint. Considering the discrepancy of FTs for the Cs, and their lead in points in the paint, the only logical explanation I can think of is ATL is driving more the Boston, and getting fouled more as well. How else would they have less points in the paint and more FTs?
Posted: Fri May 2, 2008 11:49 am
by Relative Autonomy
BadMuthaCeltic wrote:So, we have Boston with more points in the paint, but a tremendous differential in free throw attempts to ATL... not to mention a complete BS 25,000 dollar fine on the team's leading scorer AND Stern attending a game in ATL when the biggest margin of FT attempts occurred, KG gets headbutted with no repercussion, and ATL wins the game...
Would someone objectively try and explain this crap?
its pretty simple. the nba is not about good basketball. it is about selling sensational basketball entertainment. drawing out the series makes more money for the league. the fine, the head but all that gets to be part of the soap opera narratives that commentators like to talk about. bad officiating, and "superstars" conspire to turn games from a natural competition into a farce. the NBA is a few degrees removed from theater wrestling and each year inches closer.
Posted: Fri May 2, 2008 12:56 pm
by MyInsatiableOne
ParticleMan wrote:Game 4 was terrible. I know the aggressive team gets calls but the officials took it to a new low. The C's got absolutely NO calls and they were purposely attacking the rim. Pierce, Rondo, and KG all had plays where they were clearly fouled and got nothing. Which is fine, except that on the other end every ticky tack thing was being called. It was pretty ridiculous.
Give the hawks credit, tho, they've been making their FTs
This is what I've been saying, the reffing has been bad for both teams, except for game 4 when it was really one-sided (home cooking....)
But again you're right, Boston (especially Pierce) has been horrendous from the free throw line and Atlanta hits almost all of them.
We better nip this in the bud or else it could come back to haunt us...
Posted: Fri May 2, 2008 3:17 pm
by CatNation
so if boston doesnt win every series 4-0 its a conspiricy against them? god i hate boston sports fans...
Posted: Fri May 2, 2008 3:25 pm
by greenbeans
DJ Sueko wrote:so if boston doesnt win every series 4-0 its a conspiricy against them? god i hate boston sports fans...
im pretty sure i can speak for all of us when i say the feelings mutual.
and why do you come to the BOSTON board if all your gonna do is whine about it???
btw, MJ & Larry. . ahahahahahahaha enjoy your scrub team getting moved in 3 years
Posted: Fri May 2, 2008 3:27 pm
by rsceltic34
DJ Sueko wrote:so if boston doesnt win every series 4-0 its a conspiricy against them? god i hate boston sports fans...
No not a conspiricy........but 50 more FT's attempted is a pretty significant number. The C's are taking it to the rim and not getting to the line, mayb they have to sell the foul like Manu or Kobe.
Posted: Fri May 2, 2008 3:33 pm
by yodi184
rsceltic, i thought this was your final score prediction for tonight when the Celtics win their first road game of the playoffs
kidding aside, this only shows how slashing and location of mismatches is an essential part of the hawks game. look at their starting lineup... three f'in swingmen (SF outruns PF, SF overmatches C's SG, SF beats bad-back SF)
Posted: Fri May 2, 2008 3:34 pm
by greenbeans
rsceltic34 wrote:mayb they have to sell the foul like Manu or Kobe.
you can only get that type of acting ability after being in a holding cell sweating it out
Posted: Fri May 2, 2008 3:44 pm
by rsceltic34
yodi184 wrote:rsceltic, i thought this was your final score prediction for tonight when the Celtics win their first road game of the playoffs
kidding aside, this only shows how slashing and location of mismatches is an essential part of the hawks game. look at their starting lineup... three f'in swingmen (SF outruns PF, SF overmatches C's SG, SF beats bad-back SF)
HAHA maybe ill have to change my opening statement.
No I understand they are a slashing team that gives us matchup problems. Smith is crazy athletic Williams aslo, and Childress off the bench is aslo a hard slasher. I understand fully them having more FT's than us. However I could see something like 20-25 more attempts but 50 is just too many.
Posted: Fri May 2, 2008 3:50 pm
by mr_sunshine
rsceltic34 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
HAHA maybe ill have to change my opening statement.
No I understand they are a slashing team that gives us matchup problems. Smith is crazy athletic Williams aslo, and Childress off the bench is aslo a hard slasher. I understand fully them having more FT's than us. However I could see something like 20-25 more attempts but 50 is just too many.
For all I care they can shoot 2000 more FTs if the Celtics win. A win is a win is a win. FT attempts are only a meaningless number when we move on to the next round tonight, and they're fishing.
Posted: Fri May 2, 2008 3:57 pm
by rsceltic34
mr_sunshine wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
For all I care they can shoot 2000 more FTs if the Celtics win. A win is a win is a win. FT attempts are only a meaningless number when we move on to the next round tonight, and they're fishing.
Good point i hope your right....Hawks are really good at fishing too or do they eat mice and such. idk i havent had my coffee today
Posted: Fri May 2, 2008 4:00 pm
by armageddon
There has been a noticable change in how the officials have been reffing during the playoff and its been inexcusable as its been a 180 from the regular season and a regression to past years which is hurting the C's style of defense and favoring the Hawks. They are no longer giving the defense the charge call. There probably has been an average of 5 calls per game that would have been a charge on Atlanta but instead resulted in a wimpy foul on Boston with the Celtic's player getting clobbered. This has fed into Atlanta's aggressiveness and has been Boston laying on its back on the floor.
At the other end, the refs are allowing Atlanta's shot blockers to completely take out a guys body if he gets his hand on the ball. This is obviously affecting Rondo and Garnett as they can no longer make a layup. Game 4, showed Rondo wincing when he threw up a short floater in the lane, and no one even hit him.
This hasn't been any favoritism by the refs, just a change that the C's may not be able to adapt to. They are not a shot blocking team, but instead have players mostly that are wide and stuck to the floor. The blocking foul calls have been horrible calls, but it may continue throughout the whole playoffs.
Just curious, has a Tibadou (sp) team advance far in the playoffs before?