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Now, I have defended Pierce and his antics for a long time and I think he is a great player. But, getting a technical last night at that point is just plain stupid. That is the difference from the Cs taking it to the hoop to tie the game rather than Rondo airing a 3. Was that a crap foul that he fouled out on? Of course, but as a leader, he needs to keep his composure. Of course, he is not the reason we lost, but he needs to set a better example of a captain. Last night he lost it and the Cs lost a game. Hopefully he will realize it and make amends in game 7 because they need him.

He threw his headband. Both the initial foul and the technical was totally unwarrented.

Also we had plenty of chances to win that game well after the fact. Should we get mad at a random play earlier in the game too?

"if Rondo hadn't missed that jump shot in the 2nd quarter..."

grantlongforpresident wrote:He threw his headband. Both the initial foul and the technical was totally unwarrented.

Also we had plenty of chances to win that game well after the fact. Should we get mad at a random play earlier in the game too?

"if Rondo hadn't missed that jump shot in the 2nd quarter..."

Throwing your headband/wristband is a automatic technical. Pierce needs to show better leadership. If you read what I wrote, you will see that I specifically said it wasn't the reason we lost. But, he needs to keep his composure at that point.

If it's a league rule, as it is, that throwing a headband is an automatic technical, and if the Celtics knew about that, as they did, then it is just another boneheaded action by Pierce when it counts the most.

Great player and we're going to need him to play well for the C's to advance, but he is obviously still prone to defeating himself--and the team--in a playoffs crunch.

canman1971 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
Throwing your headband/wristband is a automatic technical. Pierce needs to show better leadership. If you read what I wrote, you will see that I specifically said it wasn't the reason we lost. But, he needs to keep his composure at that point.

I didn't know that. While it is a lame rule, i guess he should have known that and not thrown his headband. (he might hurt someone).

Regardless,

Pierce shot 7-12 with 17 points and 6 assists. Pierce did not lose this game.

Take Pierce away and we lose by 10.
Also - Most of those 6 fouls were rubbish.

Yes, he shouldn't have thrown his headband. But pinning this one on Pierce is what we would do if we lived in opposite world.

grantlongforpresident wrote:

Of course, he is not the reason we lost, but he needs to set a better example of a captain.

This is what I said.

Also, while PP had a ok shooting night, only one rebound is Blount like. He really needs to step up. I still wonder if his back is hurting more than he is letting on.

canman1971 wrote:Also, while PP had a ok shooting night, only one rebound is Blount like. He really needs to step up. I still wonder if his back is hurting more than he is letting on.

what about garnett? he is supposed to be such an amazing rebounder but where was he last night? 7 in last nights game where his team was out rebounded. DPOY avering 8.5 boards in the playoffs, absolutely pathetic.

KG is only got out of the first round once for reason. he is a fraud. a gigantic **** egomaniac, who took a huge salary, crippled his team. he wonders why the T-wolves never did anything, maybe its becuase they couldn't afford anyone else with all the money going to slake his unquenchable ego. or maybe becuase he disappears when the team needs their "superstar" "franchise player" to step it up the most.

just becuase garnett beats his chest, swears, calls everyone a **** and acts like an **** doesn't mean he is good. he knows how to market himself like some transcendent basketball mystic when he is pathetic poser, a loser acting like he is he's won something. if pierce hadn't fouled out. the Cs would have won. historically, pierce has always carried his team and made them over-perform. garnett always disaponts his team and they under-preform. give me a **** break about pierce getting a free pass.
why does garnett get the oh, he's-so -intense; he's a
**** status?

say what you will about pierce but he would have taken 5-10 foot shots that "mr. intensity" garnett was too cowardly to take.

garnett is a fraud. no team will ever win with him (and they haven't). this celtic team is not going to break the pattern.

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what about garnett?
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Because this thread was about Pierce. There are other threads about KG and his own deficiencies.

Honestly I can't get mad at Pierce for getting a tech. To me thats the kind of foul you fire an official over. This wasn't the bllocking foul that was pretty bad too. This was a ref calling a foul that is never ever made.

I cannot believe the refs called a technical foul on that. Too often NBA officials become a part of the story. There is no excuse for calling a tech on that. He was just frustrated in the heat of the moment. Doc Rivers needs to back his guy.

I don't think Pierce IS actually getting a free pass, at least not by his coach... and I think most people are watching this seeing him take a lot of contact with minimal calls, and in this game he was victim to a phantom foul off the ball that sent him to the bench with 5 minutes left in the game, among a couple of other BS fouls. Maybe some fans see that and understand him getting upset.

RA, Garnett's not a fraud, he just knows that if he starts slamming into people and going over the back like the ATL's bigs, he's going to be fouling out of the game too. KG should have been more aggressive looking for his shot when Pierce went out, but the gameplan apparently was to look for the 3 pointer instead. You saw the game, right?

BadMuthaCeltic wrote:I don't think Pierce IS actually getting a free pass, at least not by his coach... and I think most people are watching this seeing him take a lot of contact with minimal calls, and in this game he was victim to a phantom foul off the ball that sent him to the bench with 5 minutes left in the game, among a couple of other BS fouls. Maybe some fans see that and understand him getting upset.

RA, Garnett's not a fraud, he just knows that if he starts slamming into people and going over the back like the ATL's bigs, he's going to be fouling out of the game too. KG should have been more aggressive looking for his shot when Pierce went out, but the gameplan apparently was to look for the 3 pointer instead. You saw the game, right?

i saw the game. i saw garnett pass up several 5-10 shots in those last 5 minutes when his team was down by seven. even though it went it, i really don't think that desperation posey three was in the game plan. did you see the game? if i was doc i would have done what donny marshall said after pp fouled out: "i would give the ball to kg ever possession." KG didn't want the ball. he passed up good shots. he turned the ball over becuase he would do anything to get it out of his hands. was that the game plan? i don't think i am overstepping to call garnett a cowardly fraud. he needs to prove people like me (i'm not just hating, these criticisms have followed him his entire career) and step it up in the playoffs.

No, Doc shouldn't back him at all. Pierce is suppose to be a superstar and a veteran at that, he should know better. It just shows where this team stands when it becomes playoff time and the heat is on. We need to know who is going to step up and who isn't. They seem to want to be a different team and play different then they did during the season and it is causing them not to believe what they set forward to do, and that is just plain sad for Pierce, Ray, and Garnett to socomb to the pressure.

Right or wrong it is the rule. I think it is dumb but hey, it's the rule. I think he should appologize to his teamates for that.

SERIOUSLY guys...give it a break. it isn't paul's fault the KG has suddenly turned soft on us, or that our guys (minus pierce and posey) can't buy a bucket on the road.

if crawford made that bull **** call on me (he was at half court, and pierce was on the baseline for pete's sake!) i woulda done more than thrown a headband...crawford would be getting surgery to fix his broken face.

the officiating has been the worst i've ever seen in this series, but that call last night most certainly takes the cake. what a load of ****.

Ok for PP to lose his composure? No, not at all. But KG's (and Ray's) play after that was far more criminal than Pierce's technical. The game was the C's to win or at least tie. You can't take that that 1 point and extrapolate it to the end game situation. Thats not to mention that Rondo was cooked mentally from the midpoint of the 4th Quarter anyway. Shouldve never been in the game on that play.

They seriously need to go to Pierce more often in these (assuming they win on sunday) next series because he is the only who's getting it done at an efficient rate given the touches.

Celtics_85 wrote:No, Doc shouldn't back him at all. Pierce is suppose to be a superstar and a veteran at that, he should know better. It just shows where this team stands when it becomes playoff time and the heat is on. We need to know who is going to step up and who isn't. They seem to want to be a different team and play different then they did during the season and it is causing them not to believe what they set forward to do, and that is just plain sad for Pierce, Ray, and Garnett to socomb to the pressure.

What do you mean Doc shouldn't back him? It was a heat of the moment thing. It's not like PP went Stephen Jackson, melted down and started going psuedo-gangsta. It was a horrific foul call. PP shouldn't have thrown his headband, but I can understand the frustration. He's human.

It seemed to me that Doc Rivers was somewhat passing some of the blame on to PP for the loss and that's inexcusable. If Doc wants to talk to PP about that behind closed doors, fine, but to come out and fail to back your guy publicly in this situation is awful. If anything Doc should have absorbed a fine for slamming the refs. I am not blaming the refs for this loss and Doc shouldn't either, but I'd rather him back his player and say that publicly than throwing him under the bus.

And it is absolutely not a hard and fast rule that a ref must give a tech if a player throws his headband like that. They did not have to give him a tech and there is no way they should have, definitely not at that point of the game. PP got caught up in the emotion of the moment and so did the ref.

Pierce got a T. So What? He game had already started to turn. He lost another lead in the 4th quarter. This team has a lot more problems than Pierce getting a T.

Let's look at some of the problems that we have.

1. Doc sucks in the playoffs. None of his teams have ever passed the 1st round.
2. Pierce isn't the same player he was earlier this year. He only scored 6 points after the 1st quarter.
3. Ray Allen is showing his game. When his 3's aren't good, he isn't much of a help.
4. KG is overrated as I'm been saying all year. He is averaging only 8.5 rebs in the playoffs after leading the league in that catagory last year. He also disappears in the clutch most of the time. His turnovers in the 4th killed us.

If you're going to point to Pierce's T, then you also need to look at all these our things.

Pierce got a T. So What? He game had already started to turn. He lost another lead in the 4th quarter. This team has a lot more problems than Pierce getting a T.

Let's look at some of the problems that we have.

1. Doc sucks in the playoffs. None of his teams have ever passed the 1st round.
2. Pierce isn't the same player he was earlier this year. He only scored 6 points after the 1st quarter.
3. Ray Allen is showing his game. When his 3's aren't good, he isn't much of a help.
4. KG is overrated as I'm been saying all year. He is averaging only 8.5 rebs in the playoffs after leading the league in that catagory last year. He also disappears in the clutch most of the time. His turnovers in the 4th killed us.

If you're going to point to Pierce's T, then you also need to look at all these our things.