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Ray Allen

PPG : 14.1
FG% : 40.4 %
Rebounds : 3.5
Assists : 2.9
Steals : 0.3
37.5% 3P shooting


Paul Pierce

PPG : 16.3
FG% : 40.9%
Rebounds : 4.6
Assists : 4.6
Steals : 1.0

Not exactly superstar stats now are they ?

WOW. I say they are both hurt. I know Ray is hurt because his game isn't to stand out at the 3 point line and launch 3's. It's to run off picks and nail jumpers.

Paul ,I really think his foot,back and or, hip are bothering him.

I'm deluded from Paul cause I ever belived he can create his own shot.

Those kind of numbers are not going to bring in a ring , sorry to say.

Not saying it cant change but.. that aint promising at all.

You guys are funny ... their numbers need improving, no doubt, but there is a significant reason behind their low PPG, and that comes from those 4 blow out wins at home.

Not saying it makes it any better, but in those wins, they shot less and played less, so it's no hard to see why their numbers would drop.

I don't think they care though, because it's all about playing in June for them.

4 of those 8 games were blowouts. Not surprising to me at all.

I am alarmed how there have been these massive stretches where Paul hardly touches the ball on offense. Particularly when he gets off to a good start.

And yet we're up 1-0 in the second round, so those stats don't bother me...yet. The bigger tests are still to come. One of those guys, at least. will need to have some big games if we're to get through the next two rounds. Ray Allen finding his shot would be a big help.

I know Paul will step up. He can create his own shot as well as anyone in the L.

Ray needs some help. start running screen for the guy.

Lets revisit this later on shall we?

both pierce and allen's scoring has dipped about 3 points from the regular season. one or both of those guys needs to pick it up if we are to have any chance of winning a championship. right now neither of them is hot. Cassell and Posey might be the hottest shooters we have right now. Leon Powe who was automatic in the post down the stretch is also struggling to convert. thank god for garnett and rondo and as of late Perk. Posey's injury concerns me since he is our best player off the bench and our best lock down defender

As long as there are other players (re: Rondo, Perk, bench) to pick up the slack, then I'm fine with the numbers dip.

The numbers are misleading. Most of the wins we had were won because the C's played good D. You don't need stats/offense if you play good D (which we should've been known for anyway in the 66-16 season). We might have played good Offense with ray and PP gettin their stats, but it doesn't mean anything if we don't get to win. Upping their stats though while playin good D would be a huge plus.

P2 wrote:4 of those 8 games were blowouts. Not surprising to me at all.

Same here. Only surprising/alarming to dopes who don't understand anything beyond the wins and losses.

Chief wrote:Lets revisit this later on shall we?

How about when they are both standing next to KG while he holds up the championship trophy?

There is more there than the blowouts can defend. In fact, when one considers the blowouts, it actually looks worse for Pierce and Allen. Take a look at the stats, split by blowouts vs. close games.

Blowouts (team record 4 - 0):

Pierce - 18.5 ppg on 46% FG, 3.5 apg, 5.5 rpg, 2.0 TOs/game in 31.8 mpg.
Garnett - 18.3 ppg on 48% FG, 9.0 rpg, 4.3 apg, 1.0 spg, 1.5 bpg in 33.3 mpg
Allen - 14.8 ppg on 40% FG in 34.5 mpg

Close games (team record 1 - 3):

Pierce - 14 ppg on 36% FG, 5.8 apg, 3.8 rpg, 3.5 TOs/game in 34 mpg
Garnett - 25.5 ppg on 52% FG, 8.5 rpg, 3.3 apg, 3.0 spg, 1.0 bpg in 41.3 mpg
Allen - 13.5 ppg on 41% FG in 40.7 mpg

These numbers suggest the exact opposite of what those in the thread have said thus far. Pierce's and Allen's numbers are actually inflated by the blowouts, and their contributions have been putrid in the games that were actually competitive. Of the big 3, KG is the only one that has stepped it up in the close games.

If Pierce and Allen get it going from here it's not an issue since the Celtics are still where they want to be overall, but as of now it is certainly worrying that two of the best players on the team are having so much trouble right now.

jus run some plays for ray. look at some tape from when he played for seattle if need be & run the plays where he was so good. he HAS to get going if we're going to contend for a title. we cant win it all with him putting in 12 ppg & shooting less than 40%

he, more so than PP & KG, needs to get going. KG & PP can get going at any point during a game, but ray seems to have been struggling for a long time. i cant remember the last time he scored 20, anyone?

We didn't run any plays for Ray during the regular season and we won't start now. Having the entire offense evolve around Ray [which is what running plays for him would require with picks and such] is a waste of Pierce and KG's talents on the floor as Ray is forced to shoot most of the time due to his poor hanlde/creation ability. Or maybe he just doesn't care and wants to shoot either way the result is the same.

Ray got what 24 shots a game or something last year. I know it was higher then either Pierce or KG.

I always thought the bench was going to be Ray's time where we would change our offense and hope he can pull through. But right now our team ball of passing for open looks seems to be much better then Ray offense.

drza wrote:There is more there than the blowouts can defend. In fact, when one considers the blowouts, it actually looks worse for Pierce and Allen. Take a look at the stats, split by blowouts vs. close games.

Blowouts (team record 4 - 0):

Pierce - 18.5 ppg on 46% FG, 3.5 apg, 5.5 rpg, 2.0 TOs/game in 31.8 mpg.
Garnett - 18.3 ppg on 48% FG, 9.0 rpg, 4.3 apg, 1.0 spg, 1.5 bpg in 33.3 mpg
Allen - 14.8 ppg on 40% FG in 34.5 mpg

Close games (team record 1 - 3):

Pierce - 14 ppg on 36% FG, 5.8 apg, 3.8 rpg, 3.5 TOs/game in 34 mpg
Garnett - 25.5 ppg on 52% FG, 8.5 rpg, 3.3 apg, 3.0 spg, 1.0 bpg in 41.3 mpg
Allen - 13.5 ppg on 41% FG in 40.7 mpg

These numbers suggest the exact opposite of what those in the thread have said thus far.

Drza, great post. It gets old how some of our fans keep making excuse after excuse for some of our players. Call a spade a spade. There can't be one Celtic fan that is happy with the play of Pierce and Allen in the playoffs.

Playoffs are the time to step it up and Pierce and Allen have done the opposite so far. If it wasn't for the great game by KG and the great 4th quarter by Cassell in game 1, we would be down 0-1 now. Perkins also had a good game and Rondo had a great 1st half. Posey was very good defensively and made two huge 3's. Pierce and Allen didn't **** show up in that game and haven't shown up much in the playoffs.

Going into the off season, there will be a big need for a solid SG. TA looks done.

drza wrote:There is more there than the blowouts can defend. In fact, when one considers the blowouts, it actually looks worse for Pierce and Allen. Take a look at the stats, split by blowouts vs. close games.

Blowouts (team record 4 - 0):

Pierce - 18.5 ppg on 46% FG, 3.5 apg, 5.5 rpg, 2.0 TOs/game in 31.8 mpg.
Garnett - 18.3 ppg on 48% FG, 9.0 rpg, 4.3 apg, 1.0 spg, 1.5 bpg in 33.3 mpg
Allen - 14.8 ppg on 40% FG in 34.5 mpg

Close games (team record 1 - 3):

Pierce - 14 ppg on 36% FG, 5.8 apg, 3.8 rpg, 3.5 TOs/game in 34 mpg
Garnett - 25.5 ppg on 52% FG, 8.5 rpg, 3.3 apg, 3.0 spg, 1.0 bpg in 41.3 mpg
Allen - 13.5 ppg on 41% FG in 40.7 mpg

These numbers suggest the exact opposite of what those in the thread have said thus far. Pierce's and Allen's numbers are actually inflated by the blowouts, and their contributions have been putrid in the games that were actually competitive. Of the big 3, KG is the only one that has stepped it up in the close games.

If Pierce and Allen get it going from here it's not an issue since the Celtics are still where they want to be overall, but as of now it is certainly worrying that two of the best players on the team are having so much trouble right now.

oh

snap..

offense is only 50% of the game and pierce and allen have both been doing an excellent job on the other 50% of the game, defense.