KG's Once Again proved he is Overrated

return2glory · Post #1 » by **return2glory** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:29 am

KG's second half performance showed once again that he is no superstar and is an overrated player.

KG played like a star for only the 1st quarter. After than he returned to being the soft player that he is. KG only had 4 points in the last 3 quarters of a very important game.

It've said pretty much all season long that KG is overrated and I got **** for that. He is no **** super star.

My defintion of a super star is a player that :
1. Steps up in the clutch
2. Takes his teammates to another level.

Thats' it. Plain and simple. KG is none of the above. Instead KG is the type of player that takes 20 footers when he should be driving hard to the basket. He is the type of player that shoots fade aways instead on getting himself to the line when we need a basket in a bad way.

KG is not the main reason we lost. That honor goes to Doc Rivers and his love affair with Sam Cassell, who after tonight's game is shooting 3-26 from the field in the road games.

But being outplayed by Anderson **** Varejao doesn't help. MVP my ass. He needs to be worried about Varejao outplaying him.

bstein14 · Post #2 » by **bstein14** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:40 am

KG is a great player.

But he's no Tim Duncan though that's for sure.

Paul Pierce is having troubles with the much bigger more physical Lebron.

Ray Allen isn't very good at creating his own shot.

KG isn't a dominant offensive threat.

What is Boston going to go to in the half court against a good defensive team if Pierce can't create? It seems like Cleveland has taken that away and Boston is looking for answers.

TheMartian · Post #3 » by **TheMartian** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:55 am

There's already a thread about KG.

IBTL

TheMartian · Post #4 » by **TheMartian** » Tue May 13, 2008 9:59 am

BadMuthaCeltic wrote:Statistics show he's one of the best defensive players in the NBA, the win/loss record and the energy of Boston has changed dramatically PRIMARILY because of his presence in Boston--Pierce made that sentiment himself-- and he has one of the best all around games and versatility the league has ever seen from someone of his size.

Those are facts. It doesn't take away from any other player like a Duncan or Pierce, it's just that there are absolute good and great reasons to be a fan of Kevin Garnett just as much as there are reasons to be a fan of any great player in the league.

If you don't like the fact that people love his game, love his personality, and want to credit him for the positive things going on in Boston, just deal with it. Move on. It's not going anywhere.

The Rondo Show · Post #5 » by **The Rondo Show** » Tue May 13, 2008 10:14 am

Too predictable.

KG has been far and away our best player this series (and easily our best/most consistent player these playoffs). He's taken over 1 game already this series and we'd be down 3-1 w/o him, he's shooting over 56% from the field and he (and Perkins in Boston) has played a huge part in our defense shutting down LeBron by clogging the middle and playing great help D.

Obviously, he didn't play great for all 4 quarters tonight but Tim Duncan posted a 5-3 line against the Hornets in game 1, much worse than KG's 15-10 line last night. LeBron is shooting 25% this series and lost game 1 by getting vastly outplayed in the clutch by Garnett. Kobe bricked shot after shot in OT on the road against Utah in a very important game. Are they not superstars as well? They haven't dominated every single game, they must be overrated and not superstars!

82games.com has Garnett with the best roland rating of anyone in the NBA playoffs so far and we are 25 points per 100 possessions better with him in the game these playoffs. How is that for impact?

The only thing proven is that you continue to show you have an agenda against him for whatever reason by not showing up when he takes over game 1 and carries us to victory but making sure you show up and bash him for not dominating for all 4 quarters last night.

Kevin Garnett is the least of this teams concerns right now. If only we could get everyone playing as well as him...

Rondo_Fan · Post #6 » by **Rondo_Fan** » Tue May 13, 2008 10:25 am

Personally, I'm a little disappointed in all of the Celtics this postseason.

With that said, there has been a lot of Pierce boosterism as usual on the forum this year, ("How could people give KG credit for the turnaround? Don't they know it's really Pierce? Pierce is one of the greatest ever?", etc.), so maybe threads like this are a way of cutting off criticism of Pierce at the pass.

I mean, talk about not showing up...

And a lot of other things have gone wrong. Ray Allen hasn't shown up either. And Cleveland has played off Rondo, which a lot of people on this board saw coming (confession: not me) and that has hurt us too.

And the biggest problem: we don't have a true leader yet. This business of both KG and Pierce going to press conferences together after the game is a load of crap. Only one of them is the team leader, and we all know who it is. Yet for political reasons, we have to play it like they are equals. I thought that the TNT commentary before the game last night was insightful. Someone (I forget who) made the point that when you're screwing up on the road like this, your team leader has to take charge and get in people's faces. I have no problem seeing KG being able to do this. But for political reasons he's not allowed to. After all, he's not the captain.

In the end, we have to see how the playoffs work out. Maybe we will get a wakeup call at some point. But right now we are a ship without a captain. Actually, we are a ship with two captains, which equals a ship with no captain. If KG had a different personality, it would be OK for him not to have a vocal leadership role with Pierce as captain, a la Manny Ramirez and Jason Varitek. But he doesn't have a quiet personality. He is obviously, far and away, the best motivator on the team. But he isn't the captain... You can't really take charge when you have a very proud man in the locker room who has been designated as the guy to take charge, but who isn't doing it... It is kind of awkward, to say the least.

bruno sundov · Post #7 » by **bruno sundov** » Tue May 13, 2008 10:41 am

I think KG is the man but, he played the part of the invisible man last night. After the first 6 minutes of the game he disappeared.

BillessuR6 · Post #8 » by **BillessuR6** » Tue May 13, 2008 11:19 am

He can`t do anything if we don`t go to him! He was hot in the first quarter but then we forgot about him for the rest of the game. He got a few shots at the end of the game but he was dead cold by then!

We need to ride the hot hand! We need to give the guy who feels it the ball on every possession. Instead Doc benches him an we forget about KG for the whole second half.

DieselCeltic · Post #9 » by **DieselCeltic** » Tue May 13, 2008 11:24 am

KG is not overrated, he will NEVER ever be overrated because he is KEVIN GARNETT. No ONE in the NBA busts their ASS every single game like KG does. That's what's so great about this man. He is NOT a human. He's a walking MACHINE. Saying he is overrated is a BIG disrespect to him and to entire Boston Celtics. The man has a heart of a LION that never quits.

The man can't get the JOB done alone. When Ray is struggling, Pierce missing his shots what do you expect him to do get 20/10/5 each game.

And saying KG is no Tim Duncan. Who the hell is Tim Duncan. Sure, he is a much better low post scorer than KG but in other terms KG walks ALL over Duncan.

Celtics_85 · Post #10 » by **Celtics_85** » Tue May 13, 2008 11:33 am

Where was Pierce? Where was Ray? Why is Tony and House sitting on the bench? Answer these questions before you point the finger at the most consistant player we have had this post season. It has come to a point where finger pointing is starting to turn in all directions. At least point it in the right direction first and go down the line from there, don't start at the bottom first.

Tricky Ricky · Post #11 » by **Tricky Ricky** » Tue May 13, 2008 12:05 pm

Well I guess so did Paul Pierce and Ray Allen, and Chris Paul in his loss to San antonio and Kobe in his loss to Utah and Dwight to his loss to Det

bruno sundov · Post #12 » by **bruno sundov** » Tue May 13, 2008 1:04 pm

thebirdman wrote:He can`t do anything if we don`t go to him! He was hot in the first quarter but then we forgot about him for the rest of the game. He got a few shots at the end of the game but he was dead cold by then!

We need to ride the hot hand! We need to give the guy who feels it the ball on every possession. Instead Doc benches him an we forget about KG for the whole second half.

I agree we need to ride the hot hand. This is my bigger point. KG has to demand the ball. When he starts the game 5for5. He has to keep on demanding the ball. That is his job. Paul has to be our slasher and he isn't doing much of that. LBJ's D on him has been phenomenal. Ray has to start coming off screens cleaner. He always has a hand in his face.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #13 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Tue May 13, 2008 1:12 pm

thebirdman wrote:He can`t do anything if we don`t go to him! He was hot in the first quarter but then we forgot about him for the rest of the game. He got a few shots at the end of the game but he was dead cold by then!

We need to ride the hot hand! We need to give the guy who feels it the ball on every possession. Instead Doc benches him an we forget about KG for the whole second half.

KG shouldn't HAVE to carry us for 4 quarters when it's because of his first 3 that we were even in this **** game. Point the finger at Pierce, who YET AGAIN looked like total and complete **** from tip-off to final buzzer.

BillessuR6 · Post #14 » by **BillessuR6** » Tue May 13, 2008 1:27 pm

bruno sundov wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I agree we need to ride the hot hand. This is my bigger point. KG has to demand the ball. When he starts the game 5for5. He has to keep on demanding the ball. That is his job. Paul has to be our slasher and he isn't doing much of that. LBJ's D on him has been phenomenal. Ray has to start coming off screens cleaner. He always has a hand in his face.

If the plays aren`t called for him what can he do? Nothing really. When KG was hitting shots we decided to get Ray Allen going...that was terrible timing.

Doc should instead bench Rondo, put House in and go to KG down low on EVERY possession! If they double teamed him he would have House, Ray and Pierce on the perimeter to pass to...

rambo_ortega · Post #15 » by **rambo_ortega** » Tue May 13, 2008 1:38 pm

it's useless to point a finger. how disrespectful to KG. he has been carrying the celtics all season long and just because doc doesn't set up kevin more, kg gets the blame? c'mon kg is a coach's player ever since and wouldn't demand the ball knowing that he has p2 and ray with him. he is a very unselfish player. it is up to doc to set up plays for him to take over and just let pierce and ray become kick out guys.

this thread is actually BS. coz the topic is pointless and has no basis on most that is said. he just struggled in the 2nd half because he wasn't set up by doc. plus you forget that z,ben,varejao and smith gives kg different looks on defense and yet he can get his points. kg can be a savior to a certain point, besides the cavs won primarily because of boobie and not because of "your superstar lebron james". it's a team effort and it's even easier to score in the perimeter against cavs defense rather than inside. the poster of this thread should know his basketball.

Post #16 » by **supersub15** » Tue May 13, 2008 1:49 pm

Toronto beat writer puts in his 2 cents

Magz50 · Post #17 » by **Magz50** » Tue May 13, 2008 2:26 pm

DieselCeltic wrote:
And saying KG is no Tim Duncan. Who the hell is Tim Duncan. Sure, he is a much better low post scorer than KG but in other terms KG walks ALL over Duncan.

One of the funniest, sarcastic comments i've seen on realgm. Well done. :rofl:

HouseJersey? · Post #18 » by **HouseJersey?** » Tue May 13, 2008 3:49 pm

to the OP, you must be high if you think KG is overrated. He is a top 5 player in the NBA. He can't carry a team himself and shouldn't have to with a lineup like the celts have. Pierce and Ray have been struggling. The three make each other better and when 2 out of three are struggling it doesn't work so well.

boykins2 · Post #19 » by **boykins2** » Tue May 13, 2008 5:30 pm

Late in 4th quarter, why didn't KG take a little baby hook in the lane.
Anderson Varejao was giving him the middle, what does KG do, he spins away from the middle and takes a tough fade-away on the baseline.
It was an easy hook shot, that isn't easily defendable.
He's playing into Varajao hands.

Rarely see hook shots anymore, what because of style points?
These players are paid to score as efficiently as possible but rarely do.

rhp1990 · Post #20 » by **rhp1990** » Tue May 13, 2008 5:32 pm

HouseJersey? wrote:to the OP, you must be high if you think KG is overrated. He is a top 5 player in the NBA. He can't carry a team himself and shouldn't have to with a lineup like the celts have. Pierce and Ray have been struggling. The three make each other better and when 2 out of three are struggling it doesn't work so well.

Top 5?

Kobe
Lebron
Chris Paul
Duncan
Dwight