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Doesn't he still play for the Celtics?

Well, this is for those that still miss him....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puMJxcmqYbg

BadMuthaCeltic wrote:Doesn't he still play for the Celtics?

Well, this is for those that still miss him....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puMJxcmqYbg

The last thing this team needs is TA on the floor dribbling like an idiot, turning the ball over and then fouling a three point shooter on the other end resulting in TA punching himself in the head and losing more braincells.

TA is a pretty good defender, but he's a massive liability on the floor at this point.

I don't miss TA this season not at all. I miss the old TA.

I never thought he was going to be as good as he got during his rookie season. I saw a good defender with great athletisim that couldn't hit a three or dribble. Then sophmore year he showed signs of a developing three point threat and an inconsistent but potent dribble.

I'd love to get another player that would defend and slash like TA. Atheltisim plus a dirty work mind. Great stuff, Maxiell on the Pistons reminds me of what Tony's role used to be like. Although Tony did take it to a diffrent level before the injuries came in his career.

Seems he's played his best basketball as a starter with Pierce. That'll never happen again, though. Not with the team we have now. I think we still need his defensive ability out there, but it's true when he tries too much, he's a turnover waiting to happen. Too bad.

You can say what you want about Tony, yea the guy drives you crazy, makes bonehead mistakes sometimes, but is a gamer that gives this team an edge doing the intangibles. I truely believe he is being held back right now due to the buisness side of the game. Tony will be a free agent in the off season and Ainge is affraid that Tony's worth will grow if he had a good post season. This is the only explanation as to why he doesn't get any run right now, and to be honest it really burns me because I think the Atlanta series and this series would be much easier to win with him getting some burn.

I still think we have not seen the last of TA as long as they beat Cleveland. He will be very valuable against a Detroit. Right now, there is really nobody he can (needs) to cover. LeBron is too big, so against a RIP or Chauncey, he will be seen.

I miss him too. I think he could give us more then Sam in the backcourt.

Right now I much rather see Eddie or TA in there. Or god forbid even Eddie and TA for a spell.

His defensive energy and slashing ability could really help us. Despite his mistakes he does WAY to many postive things out there on the court to go without him and his talent gives him a chance at a big time game.

I don't think Doc is a bad coach but he can struggle when he has too many choices to make personell wise.

Pete

While we are it, I miss Jiri Welch.

No, I miss Marty Conlon.

Oooh, I got it, I miss Scott Pollard.

No, no...I miss Greg Minor!!

Cool link. I miss delontes quotes.

I wish TA would play too, but for people like you and me who question Doc's rotation, as he said, "That's TOUGH!" Our coach is pretty stubborn,iIt's almost like he won't make any changes because he's afraid that it will work and he'll look like a moron for not playing tony or eddie earlier.

Why the hate for TA? We can certainly use a guy like that right now. Yes, Tony does get out of control sometimes, but he's arguably our best wing defender. He can slash and take it to the hoop instead of standing around waiting for someone to create a shot for him. And even his jumper has improved a lot this year.

In case you all forgot, TA actually was pretty productive when given consistent PT. If we get by the Cavs, we'll most certainly see TA guard Billups, since Chauncey's too big for Rondo to handle. But then our coach is Glen Doc Rivers, so logic pretty much gets thrown out the window.

Besides, how can he be any worse than Cassell?

Maybe Ray could go to the second unit as a scorer/shooter next year and TA could start again? TA also did a decent job at the point in those couple of games Rondo missed during the regular season.


An 8 man rotation like:

Starters:

Rondo
TA
Pierce
Garnett
Perkins

Key bench:

Posey
Ray
Leon/Baby

I miss TA as well. I've maintained that when you go to war in the playoffs, you need warriors. Now, TA is a kamakazi type player who, yes, will self destruct from time to time, but he at least forces the action and can change momentum. I'll try not to turn this into an anti-Ray Allen deal, but, it is this element I feel is missing in HIS game. IMO, it's the type of toughness that TA, Rondo, Powe, etc have that aids the team in winning the possessions battle through weak side rebounding and such, which is not a part of Ray Allen's finesse game.

Back to TA, I'm well aware that his volatility makes using him an uncomfortable decision for a head coach. But, this is where a tactition and a coach who has the "pulse" of this players is supposed to help earn his keep by pushing the right buttons with these types of high risk/high reward substitution patterns. I'm not saying Doc is making the wrong choice in not playing him, per se, but seeing as the Celts have lost the FTA battle in every (or nearly every) playoff game so far, I do tend to question why he's not using a guy who tends to draw contact and referee attention by his physical style of play.

I'd give him a minute or two at the end of a quarter. If he plays well leave him in. If he turns the ball over or makes a stupid mistake then yank him. He is one guy who can get to the line. Cleveland doesn't have anyone who can guard tony if he drives to the hoop. I would at least give him a shot. I also like the idea of putting him on delonte or even damon jones or damon brown since they will get minutes tongiht. tony should be able to hang with those guys.

These are the type of situations that will help him grow even more as a player, and i think he deserves some time. He can drive by anyone the Cavs have to guard him which would free up a shooter or someone around the basket, which Tony has done a nice job of finding these guys for easy baskets this year.
It would be one thing if Ray was playing lights out, but we all know how that is going. Doc seems to let his stars stink up the court at times and don't bench them. Sure you can say he can break out at any time, but this hasn't happened throughout the whole playoffs for Ray, leaving reason for Tony to get some time.

darrendaye wrote:I miss TA as well. I've maintained that when you go to war in the playoffs, you need warriors. Now, TA is a kamakazi type player who, yes, will self destruct from time to time, but he at least forces the action and can change momentum. I'll try not to turn this into an anti-Ray Allen deal, but, it is this element I feel is missing in HIS game. IMO, it's the type of toughness that TA, Rondo, Powe, etc have that aids the team in winning the possessions battle through weak side rebounding and such, which is not a part of Ray Allen's finesse game.

Back to TA, I'm well aware that his volatility makes using him an uncomfortable decision for a head coach. But, this is where a tactition and a coach who has the "pulse" of this players is supposed to help earn his keep by pushing the right buttons with these types of high risk/high reward substitution patterns. I'm not saying Doc is making the wrong choice in not playing him, per se, but seeing as the Celts have lost the FTA battle in every (or nearly every) playoff game so far, I do tend to question why he's not using a guy who tends to draw contact and referee attention by his physical style of play.

Good post! I agree...

And especially wit Ray struggling, Tony could get some of his minutes. Instead of playing Ray 40 MPG TA should get 10. It would help Ray tremendously, IMO, if he was fresher in the fourth quarter.

Maybe Ray could be the first guy substituted since TA plays better with the starters when he doesn`t need to do to much and his intangibles really come through.

tombattor wrote:.........If we get by the Cavs, we'll most certainly see TA guard Billups, since Chauncey's too big for Rondo to handle...............

This is the point I keep making in a variety of posts.

Tony Allen is the only Celtic that has the speed and strength to hang with Billups in a series.......and Deron Williams too should Utah get to the finals.

Plus Tony, when he is right, is another slasher that would be important when the Celtics get a case of jumpshot-itis.

Doc's shortened, old-guy rotation might have cost both Tony and Eddie House their edge. At some point the Celtics are going to need those guys and they are going to have splinters in their tail.

Al n' Perk No Layups! wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



The last thing this team needs is TA on the floor dribbling like an idiot, turning the ball over and then fouling a three point shooter on the other end resulting in TA punching himself in the head and losing more braincells.

TA is a pretty good defender, but he's a massive liability on the floor at this point.

at his worst, he is better that sam cassel has been in the playoffs.

darrendaye wrote:I miss TA as well. I've maintained that when you go to war in the playoffs, you need warriors. Now, TA is a kamakazi type player who, yes, will self destruct from time to time, but he at least forces the action and can change momentum. I'll try not to turn this into an anti-Ray Allen deal, but, it is this element I feel is missing in HIS game. IMO, it's the type of toughness that TA, Rondo, Powe, etc have that aids the team in winning the possessions battle through weak side rebounding and such, which is not a part of Ray Allen's finesse game.

amen sista

tony is warrior. can you question his brain? yup. can u question his heart? nope. mangIna take MANGDIGO WARRIOR SPIRIT above brain surgeon brain every time. even though we wish he stop balling up his face like a child when he make a bad play it that same emotion that allows him to come in and change games. when tonytonetoni is playing reckless and free he is a force of nature.

u all have seen it before and act like it never happened. **** that. take that leash off and let the boy fight

I miss read the tpic. I thought it said, I miss T and A. As if you wre married or something. I don't miss tony allen at all. Doc gave him every cahnce to sucede and he couldn't do it.