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WOOT! We survived LeBron Rules!!!
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:26 am
by ParticleMan
Unbelievable game. I figured we'd be up against it if the 4th quarter was close, and sure enough that was a ridiculous number of things Lebron got away with in the 4th. Grabbing Pierce's jersey? No foul. Mugging Pierce and stealing the ball? No foul. Double dribble? Not in Lebron Rules, baby!!!
And then he has the gall to go **** when he whacks Pierce on the head and the refs absolutely positively have to call a foul.
I have to say, until these playoffs Lebron was probably my favorite player in the NBA outside of the C's. I love his intensity, his utter physical dominance, his ability to will a crappy team to ridiculous heights.
But this playoffs have made me lose a LOT of respect for Lebron. It's not just that the NBA is ridiculously favoring him, it's also that he EXPECTS it, and thinks he DESERVES it. He whines relentlessly. He overdramatizes fouls so much it's beyond belief. It's amazing all his vital organs are intact at the end of the game given how many life-threatening injuries he suffers over 48 minutes. Then when the refs have the audacity to actually call a foul on him, he acts like he's been personally violated. I thoughts the Wiz in the last series were spewing sour grapes, but now I see what they were talking about.
Please Lebron. Get over yourself. Get over your sense of entitlement. Go back to being the Lebron that was a guy worth respecting regardless of who you were rooting for.
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:35 am
by chakdaddy
He really does ham it up if he gets knocked down. That's not even flopping really; I don't know what it is, or what good there is in acting like you're about to die after you get knocked down. Maybe he's just kind of a wimp, pain threshhold wise?
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:42 am
by BrokenLeftyJumper
Yea, I'm in the same boat. I love watching Lebron play, except against the C's of course, and it bothered me how much he complained in this series. He was looking at the refs after every single drive to the hoop giving them the glare if they didn't blow the whistle. And the amount of stuff they let him get away with is ridiculous. I can't totally blame him though, pretty much every star player in the league thinks he got fouled on every play, and its totally the refs fault. Why do Kobe, Lebron, Duncan, Pierce, Wade, Iverson, Ginobli, etc. all think they got fouled on every play? Because the refs have been putting them to the line on pretty much every single play. If the refs didn't give them the star card, I don't think many of these guys would be acting like such entitled babies.
I do think Lebron presents sort of an interesting case though, because he's like Shaquille in his prime in that he's pretty much an impossible guy to officiate. Like Shaq, Lebron has the strength to absorb all sorts of fouls and not get fazed, so it's tough to tell when he actually did get fouled. Unfortunately, I feel like, as was the case with Shaq, the refs give the presumption of a foul far too often.
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:43 am
by Matt34520
I LOVE THE GARDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:45 am
by Scalamental
Yeah that shirt grab was a head scratcher, to say the least... in front of the kids anyways.
My deal with Lebron is this. I can't think of a player I have more respect for. Respect = complete fear/awe of what he can do in the crunch, no matter how crappy the players are around him.
My deal with Nike and NBA, is being pounded down the throat with Bron this and Bron that on Espn and ABC 24/7. Lebron elbowing Pierce with Doug Collins going on about how Lebron is so mature for not getting mad for Pierces soft foul... ugh. The commercials... the everything...
There's two sides to Bron. The player and the ad campaign. I can't get mad at Bron for his ad campaign getting ridiculously favored and grabbing attention. Thats what good ad campaigns are supposed to do. It's just tiring.
I still like Bron as a player, but I'm glad we didn't let Nike/ABC/ESPN/TNT go off in a Bronplosion because he beat the best team in the nba. Eff that.
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:52 am
by GuyClinch
I agree with the OP. I used to like Lebron and he is still a great player. But his sense of entitlement is beyond annoying. In this series you kind of feel the "good guys" won - and not just because I am a Celtics fan.
Lebron acts like the world owes him something and that everything should automatically go his way. I think all star players have SOME of this but for whatever reason Lebron's act seems out of whack compared to other stars like Kobe or Jordan. Like the OP said Lebron gets so many bogus calls he now EXPECTS them..
Pete
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:58 am
by tlee324
you guys think this was bad.... let's just wait and see if we're lucky enough to play the Lakers in the Finals.
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:04 am
by GreenGrizz
His great career will be short-lived. He is only human unless Cleveland spends a lot of money to support him.
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:14 am
by Rocky5000
You remember that play where the announcers were mad at Perk for arguing the call when LeBron collapsed and started clutching his shoulder?(An obvious act) Was I just wearing green colored glasses or did LeBron step out of bounds before running into Perk?
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:20 am
by ParticleMan
Some super post-game quotes from The Bron.
LeBron wrote:"I have always been a winner, and I am a winner," he said. "You are just disappointed that the season is over."
LeBron wrote:As a fan of basketball, I know so much about the history
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 2:48 am
by MaxwellSmart
we move on DESPITE the hosing the refs gave us in game 6....and tried again today...Remember PP's "charge" in game 6?.....Delonte ran over Rajon today(more blatantly by the way)....and Kenny Mauer calls a block....Lebron double dribbles right in front of the C's bench---NO call...even Big Z ripped out Perk's jersey early on...NO call on Mauer's watch........nice.
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 3:00 am
by Tricky Ricky
I HATE LEBRON!!! He expects a foul on every play
LETS GO CELTICS!
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 3:19 am
by Ortho Stice
Rocky5000 wrote:You remember that play where the announcers were mad at Perk for arguing the call when LeBron collapsed and started clutching his shoulder?(An obvious act) Was I just wearing green colored glasses or did LeBron step out of bounds before running into Perk?
He totally did step out of the bounds. Only Lebron James can be fouled out of bounds. And that jersey pulling was so blatant, it's impossible that every ref missed it. This is after the atrociously called game six with the hilariously bad "charge" call, and then the no call on the goaltending. Hopefully it will get better in the Detroit series, though I doubt it.
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 5:26 am
by Ctrey
"king" choked in the game. period. the end. he had (thanks to the refs) every chance to win the game and lost it.
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 6:24 am
by hickfromfrenchlick
First off, I liked LBJ before this, and I like him now. Yeah he gets tons of calls and still has the audacity to complain about the ones he doesn't get, but whatever.
We beat him. He travels every time he drives, gets tons of calls despite initiating contact, and got away with a blatant grab and a double-dribble today. Oh, also, we beat him despite him going bananas offensively. Good for us.
While he's a cocky guy (with good reason), to those who say he wasn't gracious in defeat, what postgame press conference were you watching? He went on and on about how much of a Pierce fan he is, etc. And he gave credit where it was due. I didn't hear about him complaining. As for talking in the 3rd person and implying he could use more help, can you blame him?
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 6:29 am
by tlee324
the hick is absolutely right. Lebron was very respectful to Pierce, the Celtics, and the game of basketball. He is very confident in himself and annoyingly speaks in the 3rd person, but he was not a poor sportsman at all.
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 6:43 am
by Falstaff
I think the 3rd person thing is actually something he's being coached to do - it's essentially branding.
I still like Lebron fine. He doesn't do anything most other stars don't. I'm not a great fan of his game, to be honest - he's in the Jordan mold, and I like Bird/Magic kind of players - but he's fine by me.
Glad the C's beat him though. And the Cavs should be embarrassed if they can't find him a better supporting cast.
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 10:54 am
by Kids Are Alright
Lebron should've dished the ball and allowed the team to stay in the game, otherwise, damned good balling from him in game 7.
Regarding the shirt, we backed that play up and watched it frame by frame and there wasn't a shirt-grabbing that any of us could see. Pretty minor compared to the shorts-dropping of Ron Artest, anyway.
Regarding his 3rd person, historical persona, he's been treated as a god since he entered his teen years, I think he's handling it better than Michael Jackson........
Thankfully, they've surrounded him with Celtics castaways and we survived the series with Ray showing up for only 1 game.
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:07 am
by GuyClinch
Well yes he was fine in the press conference - but he acts like an idiot on the court and the refs encourage it.
Pete
Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:14 am
by bru87tr
Rocky5000 wrote:You remember that play where the announcers were mad at Perk for arguing the call when LeBron collapsed and started clutching his shoulder?(An obvious act) Was I just wearing green colored glasses or did LeBron step out of bounds before running into Perk?
he indeed had two feet out of bounds and they didnt call it.