Rasheed Wallace

celtics792244 · Post #1 » by **celtics792244** » Sun May 25, 2008 8:56 pm

Chauncey Billups is taking a beating on the Piston's board. Undeservingly so in my opinion. It seems pretty obvious he is hurt. To me, however, the true Piston that has to take a load of the blame is Rasheed Wallace. Look at his numbers.

Game 1: 11 pts 5 rbs
Game 2: 13 pts 10 rbs
Game 3: 12 pts 8 rbs

8-10 free-throw attempts in the series. 0 Ft attempts in game 3.

This from a guy that could be one of the BEST in the league if his head in on straight. Thank God it isn't and he's a coo-coo.
This also demonstrates his unwillingless to get his butt in the low post and create contact. If I was a Piston fan, this is the guy I'm calling out. He seems so disinterested.

NOW on a positive note for us Celtics fans, if Rasheed does straighten out his act, an effective Wallace is an emotional Wallace. Rasheed has 5 technical fouls in these playoffs.... 2 more and he has to sit out a game.

He has shown in the past that he doesn't always think things thru, and if he gets emotional he will, more than likely, pick up a couple T's and hurt his team.

LET'S GO CELTICS!!!!!!

kmgarnett21 · Post #2 » by **kmgarnett21** » Sun May 25, 2008 9:05 pm

yeah, i too am glad he hasnt demanded the ball for a long period of time in any game. when he's in the low post on the baseline, he's jus as unstoppable as KG is when they have it in their mind that they are going to score no matter what. their both beasts. idk whats wrong with rasheed tho, his 3's havent been falling like normal either....BUT, lets hope that continues!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GO CELTICS

ermocrate · Post #3 » by **ermocrate** » Sun May 25, 2008 9:09 pm

Don't wake up the beast while he's asleep...

Bad-Thoma · Post #4 » by **Bad-Thoma** » Sun May 25, 2008 9:13 pm

I've been wondering where he is myself, but I'm hoping to hell he stays there.

7seventynine9 · Post #5 » by **7seventynine9** » Sun May 25, 2008 9:17 pm

I think hes overrated.

ermocrate · Post #6 » by **ermocrate** » Sun May 25, 2008 9:23 pm

7seventynine9 wrote:I think hes overrated.

Definitely no, if he decides to play, he's the best PF in the L with KG.

GreenGrizz · Post #7 » by **GreenGrizz** » Sun May 25, 2008 9:33 pm

Remember him with Portland and Washington. He is simply overrated.

BillessuR6 · Post #8 » by **BillessuR6** » Sun May 25, 2008 9:36 pm

He is extremely dangerous if his 3 point shot is falling. If it is not he can be contained.

And we can`t forget that KG is guarding him! That has a lot to do with his (in)effectiveness!

But I actually think he is playing OK. Maybe a three pointer or two per game more but I didn`t really expect more from him. That is Rasheed...

Tricky Ricky · Post #9 » by **Tricky Ricky** » Sun May 25, 2008 10:29 pm

ermocrate wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Definitely no, if he decides to play, he's the best PF in the L with KG.

I wouldnt go that far but if he is motivated he can be a very very good player. I think this is a reason DET hasnt made it past the ECF in a few years, ever since they won a ring the other team just looks more motivated

The Rondo Show · Post #10 » by **The Rondo Show** » Sun May 25, 2008 11:58 pm

ermocrate wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Definitely no, if he decides to play, he's the best PF in the L with KG.

More proof that he's overrated right there.

Rasheed is a good player and very talented, but he's nowhere near the player KG is whether he's trying or not trying. I believe Barkley also called him the most talented player in the league and said he'd be the best if he had to desire to be: more overrating right there. 'Sheed is talented, but there are several players quite a bit more talented than him. Kobe, LeBron, KG, Chris Paul for starters...

And last time I checked, effort level is part of the game as well. Just because he doesn't try a lot of the time, settles for 3 point shot after 3 point shot and hangs on the perimeter doesn't make him any less overrated. If anything, it's a big reason why he is overrated. People always point to how very good he'd be if he'd just play in the post, try all the time but the bottom line is he does NOT do those things.

I always hear what a great defender he is, but I sure as hell haven't seen great defense from him. Now, I don't watch a ton of (non-Celtics) Pistons games so the majority of the time that I'm watching him, he's getting dominated by KG and that's not uncommon in the NBA so maybe I underrate his defense-- but with how badly KG owns him and the fact that he is a lazy player leads me to believe that he also doesn't always try defensively either and is probably overrated defensively too.

Good player with the potential to be better, but everything I've seen suggests Rasheed Wallace is hardly anything special.

ermocrate · Post #11 » by **ermocrate** » Mon May 26, 2008 12:14 am

[quote="The Rondo Show"][/quote]I see a player's talent for what he does on the field, he can score from the post, he can score from the outside, he can dribble his opponent, he can defend(he has defended Shaq and TD in their prime down low), it's only that he lost his head and often plays lazy... When he decides to play he's on par with KG on my opinion, he has never decided to play for a full season so we don't know if He's capable doing that and not willing or if he's not capable doing that... That doesn't mean he's the best, to be the best you've to be willing to dominate and he's not, I was talking talent wise...

Fencer reregistered · Post #12 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Mon May 26, 2008 12:36 am

It sounds as if you guys are talking about a taller but less strong Derrick Coleman ...

s1ickd · Post #13 » by **s1ickd** » Mon May 26, 2008 12:52 am

the pistons offense should absolutely run through rasheed at around foul line extended. the problem is, the pistons dont give him the ball enough for him to be omnipresent like kg is. rasheed often dissapears in games because detroit wont involve him as much as they should.

when rasheed consistently gets the ball in scoring situations, he's a top 5 OFFENSIVE big man in the league.

3pt % · Post #14 » by **3pt %** » Mon May 26, 2008 6:27 am

sshhh, Flip might read this.

taufblazers33 · Post #15 » by **taufblazers33** » Mon May 26, 2008 4:17 pm

GreenGrizz wrote:Remember him with Portland and Washington. He is simply overrated.

how is he overrated?

he is as good as garnett, if not better

championship rings rasheed wallace: 1
championship rings kevin garnett: 0

kingjaffyjoe · Post #16 » by **kingjaffyjoe** » Mon May 26, 2008 4:24 pm

He should already have 6, I doubt anyone else caught this but after a timeout in game 3, the camera picked up rasheed wallace throwing his headband over towards the bench, whats the rule? automatic tech right? these refs are a joke

RickyDizzle · Post #17 » by **RickyDizzle** » Mon May 26, 2008 4:25 pm

taufblazers33 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

how is he overrated?

he is as good as garnett, if not better

championship rings rasheed wallace: 1
championship rings kevin garnett: 0

You my friend are a fool, I think most C's fans on this board underrate him, but you clearly overrate him.

He's damn good when he wants to be but he doesnt have 1/10th of KG's intensity and KG's teammates feed off that and play inspired ball.

Rasheed is capable of putting up KG numbers on a good night but the big individual contribution is all you get from him. He can take over a game offensively sometimes, sure, but his intensity and team defense are not up there with KG.

Rasheed has better range (3 pt) but I would rate KG better then him in basically everyother category, maybe there are more where his skills trumps KGs, but if you think so, throw them out there...

-Dizzy

Triple M · Post #18 » by **Triple M** » Mon May 26, 2008 4:30 pm

celtics792244 wrote:Game 1: 11 pts 5 rbs
Game 2: 13 pts 10 rbs
Game 3: 12 pts 8 rbs

These #'s are identical to his averages over the last 2 years. I do not know if it is simply age catching up to him or him settling for outside jumpers.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #19 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Mon May 26, 2008 4:38 pm

RickyDizzle wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

You my friend are a fool, I think most C's fans on this board underrate him, but you clearly overrate him.

He's damn good when he wants to be but he doesnt have 1/10th of KG's intensity and KG's teammates feed off that and play inspired ball.

Rasheed is capable of putting up KG numbers on a good night but the big individual contribution is all you get from him. He can take over a game offensively sometimes, sure, but his intensity and team defense are not up there with KG.

Rasheed has better range (3 pt) but I would rate KG better then him in basically everyother category, maybe there are more where his skills trumps KGs, but if you think so, throw them out there...

-Dizzy

Well said. Apart from the 3-point shooting, Garnett is better at every facet than Rasheed...and I think Rasheed is a damn good player.

taufblazers33 · Post #20 » by **taufblazers33** » Mon May 26, 2008 4:55 pm

[quote="RickyDizzle"][/quote]

if the Celtics had never gotten Kevin Garnett and instead had gotten Rasheed
Wallace..would you be saying the same thing?..that KG is better than Sheed?

ur answer is purely homerish

i live in chicago and have never lived in portland or detroit so dont say im being a homer.

let's just see who wins this series

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