Potential Ways to get the #13 or even #8 Pick

[Jammer]

Trade 1:

Trade $3 Million Cash & Gabe Pruitt to the Clippers for the Wolves Top Ten protected pick

Why Clips Do: Local USC fave + $$$ incentive for pick that will likely be
#11 to #15 two or three years from now.
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Trade 2:

Trade Wolves Top Ten Protected Pick to Portland for 2008 #13 Pick

Why Blazers Do: They will be integrating Greg Oden & Rudy Fernandez (from Europe) +
Portland has 3 (#33, #36 & #55 2nd Round Picks).
Portland saves Wolves pick for 2009 or 2010 when needs are known or to use as trade chip.
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Trade 3:

Trade Portland's #13 Pick + Celtics #30 Pick + $3 Million Cash to
Milwaukee for #8 Pick

Why Bucks Do: New coach (Scott Skiles) is a friend of Danny Ainge.
Get to pick at #13 and #30 to fill holes, plus get $3 Million Cash,
which is more significant to a small market team.

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Well, what da ya think???

And, now what are the options at #13 and potentially #8 ???

[chakdaddy]

Why would the Clippers trade that pick for cash and a former 2nd round pick who barely played? It will likely be a top 5 pick when the protection runs out.

[MVP16]

The chance that it happens = ZERO.

Gabe Pruitt's value is worth a second round pick and 3 million is potentially worth a late 1st rounder if you find the right team. What makes you think that a late 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder in value can get a lottery pick?

Also, where did you get the idea that Wyc is going to throw out 3 million in cash like it's nothing. He is already paying $6-7 million in luxury taxes, there's no way that he is going to throw around cash like that for picks. We are not the Knicks and he is not a multi-billionaire like Paul Allen.

[Jammer]

Why would the Clippers trade that pick for cash and a former 2nd round pick who barely played? It will likely be a top 5 pick when the protection runs out.

Not if the Wolves bust out in the next 3 seasons. Then it will be a 11-15 pick.

The Wolves would have to be bad for 3 more seasons, to force the pick to be unprotected in 2012. That's not likely, plus Donald Sterling has asked teams to submit their best offers for the Wolves pick.

[Jammer]

The chance that it happens = ZERO.

Gabe Pruitt's value is worth a second round pick and 3 million is potentially worth a late 1st rounder if you find the right team. What makes you think that a late 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder in value can get a lottery pick?

Also, where did you get the idea that Wyc is going to throw out 3 million in cash like it's nothing. He is already paying $6-7 million in luxury taxes, there's no way that he is going to throw around cash like that for picks. We are not the Knicks and he is not a multi-billionaire like Paul Allen.

To reduce the luxury tax burden, look for Danny to ship Brian Scalabrine to a team with cap room on July 1 who wants a power forward who can spread the floor for slashers to attack the rim (teams like Philadelphia and Atlanta qualify). Plus, Scal is a good locker room presence, I could see Atlanta or Philadelphia accepting Scal.

[rambo_ortega]

i think scal would be a nice pick up in new york under the new regime and d'antoni's system.

[chakdaddy]

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Not if the Wolves bust out in the next 3 seasons. Then it will be a 11-15 pick.

The Wolves would have to be bad for 3 more seasons, to force the pick to be unprotected in 2012. That's not likely, plus Donald Sterling has asked teams to submit their best offers for the Wolves pick.

Well, maybe if Chris Wallace takes over in LA and Gabe reminds him enough of Kedrick Brown...

[ermocrate]

I really don't know why but I feel like we can work on getting Portland 13

[Jammer]

Also, where did you get the idea that Wyc is going to throw out 3 million in cash like it's nothing. He is already paying $6-7 million in luxury taxes, there's no way that he is going to throw around cash like that for picks. We are not the Knicks and he is not a multi-billionaire like Paul Allen.

Sine you bring up economics, that is exactly Wyc HAPPILY writes these two checks for $3 million each ($6 Million Total).

Team salaries are based on 82 games,

They play the playoffs for free basically (playoff money is token payments to guys like the New Big Three, but significant to Powe, Davis and probably even Rajon).

So, Wyc makes like $25 million Profit if the Celtics win go as far as the Eastern Conference finals, more if they make the NBA finals.

He wants to see that xtra money nect year too; so that's why he happily writes these two $3 Million checks.

[JMillott]

The Celtics only hope of moving up in this draft if they are so inclined to land a specific player in the teens would be to package Leon Powe and 3 million dollars and quite possibly the 30th pick depending on how high they were looking to move up. If they were to do this the only guy really worthy of such an investment in that range is Speights.

If they want a player in the early 20's then buying a pick out right for 3 mil and a 2nd rounder becomes an option where they would likely chasing a Brandon Rush or Chris Douglas-Roberts to get a guy behind Ray Allen.

[Jammer]

The Celtics only hope of moving up in this draft if they are so inclined to land a specific player in the teens would be to package Leon Powe and 3 million dollars and quite possibly the 30th pick depending on how high they were looking to move up. If they were to do this the only guy really worthy of such an investment in that range is Speights.

If they want a player in the early 20's then buying a pick out right for 3 mil and a 2nd rounder becomes an option where they would likely chasing a Brandon Rush or Chris Douglas-Roberts to get a guy behind Ray Allen.

Guys I had my eye on are:

Joe Alexander
Chase Budinger
DeAndre Jordan
Mareese Speights

If the Celts don't get a Big Man in the draft, I can see them carrying 4 centers next year (Perk, PJ, Davis and Pollard) since PJ only has 1 more year left in him, there are no free agent centers this summer or in 2009 better other than Kurt Thomas, and the Celts would still have Perk, Davis and Pollard in 2010.

At least Joe Alexander and Chase Budinger would provide another excellent shooter at the wing behind PP and RA.

[MVP16]

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Sine you bring up economics, that is exactly Wyc HAPPILY writes these two checks for $3 million each ($6 Million Total).

Team salaries are based on 82 games,

They play the playoffs for free basically (playoff money is token payments to guys like the New Big Three, but significant to Powe, Davis and probably even Rajon).

So, Wyc makes like $25 million Profit if the Celtics win go as far as the Eastern Conference finals, more if they make the NBA finals.

He wants to see that xtra money nect year too; so that's why he happily writes these two $3 Million checks.

If Wyc is concerned about making the ECF again next year, he is not going to spend 6 million on a pick but rather use it to sign a good veteran using the MLE.

Aside from the economics, the deals are so unrealistic it's ludicrous. Show me an instance where something similar has happened in the past 10 years. 3 Million gets you a late first round pick, not a lottery pick. What makes you think that Gabe Pruitt makes up the difference? You keep saying that the Clips do it to pick up a local USC fave but that's crap. Ryan Gomes was a local favorite and we traded him. If the Clippers want a USC fave, why don't they try to package the #7 pick they own and the Wolves pick and maybe a little something else to move up a few spots and get OJ Mayo?

[Jammer]

The Celtics only hope of moving up in this draft if they are so inclined to land a specific player in the teens would be to package Leon Powe and 3 million dollars and quite possibly the 30th pick depending on how high they were looking to move up. If they were to do this the only guy really worthy of such an investment in that range is Speights.

If they want a player in the early 20's then buying a pick out right for 3 mil and a 2nd rounder becomes an option where they would likely chasing a Brandon Rush or Chris Douglas-Roberts to get a guy behind Ray Allen.

I don't see the Celtics giving up Leon Powe.

I can see them putting Glen Davis in a package to move up (and of course, Gabe Pruitt); but I don't see them including Leon, despite his height challenged defense.

[freakon0mics]

Its probably the first time in a long time that I don't want to be thinking about the draft primarily because we are still playing. I think if anything the Celtics are going to pick the best available. More than likely that player would be a wing player. Wing players are a dime a dozen and I bet Ainge & crew know a couple of guys that their interested in. The guy that I see that I would want is Brandon Rush. He's mature enough and is probably the most NBA ready out of everyone in this group.

[RoyHobbs]

Donald Sterling has asked teams to submit their best offers for the Wolves pick.

Where did you hear this?

Even if true, why wouldn't the Blazers simply trade their pick plus cash, if that's what the asking price is going to be? Wouldn't the Clippers be much better off cutting out the Celtics middle-man?

[Jammer]

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Where did you hear this?

Even if true, why wouldn't the Blazers simply trade their pick plus cash, if that's what the asking price is going to be? Wouldn't the Clippers be much better off cutting out the Celtics middle-man?

I didn't hear it, I read it, probably on Hoopshype.com or, possibly a RealGM front page article link. I read it right around the time that Sam Cassell was cut loose from the Clips.

I thought about the Blazers cutting the Celtics out, but why spend $3 Million if you don't have to?

What it would come down to for the Clippers is would they prefer local USC and Southern California Pruitt, plus $3 Million, to the 13th pick in the draft? I have to believe that Pruitt has played many scrimmages at Staples and that the Clippers staff knows him personally, as well as his game, quite well. Celtics could always offer to throw in a 2nd round pick (current or future).

[chakdaddy]

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To reduce the luxury tax burden, look for Danny to ship Brian Scalabrine to a team with cap room on July 1 who wants a power forward who can spread the floor for slashers to attack the rim (teams like Philadelphia and Atlanta qualify). Plus, Scal is a good locker room presence, I could see Atlanta or Philadelphia accepting Scal.

You think someone actually wants Scal?? Or do you mean that Ainge will trade a draft pick or something useful to get Scal off his hands, when he could just wait one more season and have Scal turn into a useful expiring deal?

[chakdaddy]

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If the Celts don't get a Big Man in the draft, I can see them carrying 4 centers next year (Perk, PJ, Davis and Pollard) since PJ only has 1 more year left in him, there are no free agent centers this summer or in 2009 better other than Kurt Thomas, and the Celts would still have Perk, Davis and Pollard in 2010.

You think they're going to keep Pollard around?????????????????????

[Bad-Thoma]

Not to be a dick Jammer, but the whole OP is about as far fetched as a trade idea can get. Why would the Clips trade for a second rounder and NBA chump change? It's nice to dream I guess.

[LarryBrdismyDad]

Not to be a dick Jammer, but the whole OP is about as far fetched as a trade idea can get. Why would the Clips trade for a second rounder and NBA chump change? It's nice to dream I guess.

I agree this is a joke. We have no chance of getting a pick from the Clippers, Bucks or Blazers. The Clippers and Bucks are rebuilding and badly need those lottery picks. The Clippers could grab a stud 2 guard (Westbrook, Gordon) to take over for Mobley in a few years and with Brand, Kaman, and Maggette around they could be a force in a few years. The Bucks also need to upgrade the talent on their team and might rebuild if they take a 2 guard and then ship Redd out of town with a contract like Gadzuric. The Blazers are not going to trade us their pick either. Portland buys picks left and right and doesn't care about being over the cap or paying lux tax in the future. Portland could also grab a starting 3 (Budinger, Rush, Douglas Roberts, Alexander) in this yr's draft to take over for Webster and Outlaw who are really only average to below average NBA Starting Small Forwards. The could also take a point such as DJ Augustine.

We don't have the assets to move up except maybe in the early to mid 20's unless the Suns want to sell their pick which is a possibility every year.