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Mcydess has PROVEN he can hit with great regularity 15' to 20' open jump shot.
Perkins is leaving Mcydess open to double team who ever. Then Detroit hits the open man and he buries the shot.
How many games do we have to see this in a row.
Detroit is getting off to better start then they should be.

Just have to either get back faster or disrupt the passes better.

If enough passes get made either somebody will be wide open or somebody will be in a 1-on-1 matchup he can win.

Fencer reregistered wrote:Just have to either get back faster or disrupt the passes better.

If enough passes get made either somebody will be wide open or somebody will be in a 1-on-1 matchup he can win.

We're talking about Perkins here, he's not that fast. He can't back to Mcydess in time. The way he trys to cheat off his man is to obvious. He's getting burned.

The question is, is that the coaching staff wants. Let Mcydess hit wide open jumpers.

Well, Perkins is more suited to defend a big man down low. McDyess has been getting his baskets from the perimeter, which is where Perk is not as useful.

both, Z was doing the same thing against them in the Cavs series.

Yeah, yeah, yeah--just where is Scal when you need him?

Perkins besides KG is the only player that's playing above expectations!

You can only do so much with a big man shooter unless you want to leave offensive rebounds open. That's why centers that can stroke it seem to find so many open shots. Hell I think I've seen about 5 non-guarded jumpers for KG every game.

The strategy is fine. It's a miracle when Dice scores 20+ per game. But if we didn't double on Rip/Billups they'd put up 30+ on us. the C's were just lazy closing out on Dice.

It's a pick your poison thing. If Antonio McDyess is going to beat us then you just gotta tip your hat.

If a coach figures out how to stop an effective pick and roll, they deserve coach of the decade. The pick and roll is the staple play in the NBA because its so simple, but pretty impossible to defend when it involves good players, and especially impossible to defend when it involves a good PG and a bigman that can step out and shoot the J.

BrokenLeftyJumper wrote:If a coach figures out how to stop an effective pick and roll, they deserve coach of the decade. The pick and roll is the staple play in the NBA because its so simple, but pretty impossible to defend when it involves good players, and especially impossible to defend when it involves a good PG and a bigman that can step out and shoot the J.

And that's why Doc sucks. He ran a P&R with Pierce and KG in Game 1 and it was dominant. So what's he do since then? Go back to running it with other players.

ParticleMan wrote:It's a pick your poison thing. If Antonio McDyess is going to beat us then you just gotta tip your hat.

Exactly. You can never cover everything, and I'd just assume see McDyess be the guy left open, given the alternatives.

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Exactly. You can never cover everything, and I'd just assume see McDyess be the guy left open, given the alternatives.

BS
Billups and Rip have to prove it first that they can beat their man every time off the dribble.

Phil Jackson doesn't tell his guys to double team guys if rarely.

KG gets his jumpers off the dribble most of the time.
This has nothing to do with pick and rolls, Mcydess isn't rolling to the basket, he's 20' away.

BrokenLeftyJumper wrote:If a coach figures out how to stop an effective pick and roll, they deserve coach of the decade. The pick and roll is the staple play in the NBA because its so simple, but pretty impossible to defend when it involves good players, and especially impossible to defend when it involves a good PG and a bigman that can step out and shoot the J.

This has nothing to do with pick and rolls.

ParticleMan wrote:The strategy is fine. It's a miracle when Dice scores 20+ per game. But if we didn't double on Rip/Billups they'd put up 30+ on us. the C's were just lazy closing out on Dice.

It's a pick your poison thing. If Antonio McDyess is going to beat us then you just gotta tip your hat.

I don't really buy this.

I agreed with the strategy when it was to give Big Z those open jumpers in order to double (and often triple--with KG helping out as well) LeBron at the rim, because LeBron is easily the best in the league at getting to the rim and finishing there. Billups and Hamilton are very good players, but they are really not close to elite like LeBron at getting to the hoop...especially since Billups is still looking pretty banged up and his 1st step isn't as quick. Besides, if Perkins is giving that shot to McDyess simply to slow down Hamilton--he and Ray Allen did a pretty terrible job at it. Hamilton went 8-10 and there was rarely any help defense when he did get by Ray.

I think it's as simple as Perkins sagging off McDyess and not closing out on him in time because he's a limited athlete.

Powe hasn't played well these playoffs, but I'd consider giving him some run just because he's our only other mobile big after Garnett and Detroit has two in the game at the same time Wallace and McDyess. Even though Perkins is obviously the better defender, I think Powe does a better job out on the perimeter covering jump shooting bigs than Perkins does due to his athleticism. Perkins has been playing some solid offense this series so I'd like to see him in there, but you just can't keep giving McDyess that shot.

I forget who said "if McDyess can score over 20, Detroit deserves to win" but I totally disagree with that. It's not like he's taking us in the post, making great moves and destroying us there. He's hitting an open 16-18 foot jump shot like he's totally capable of doing.

I agree fully with that, this is McNice not Rondo making 17 footers, you leave him open more often he's going to knock em down for 20 points and it's going to happen every night.

But I have to stress it's not as easy as just closing out on him, they're hard to stop strickly because they are 17 footers. The Centers job is to be in there with the PF to clog the lane and make sure we limit they to one posession.

Perkins has been paying divedends himself with all those offense rebounds and shot adjusting at the hoop. More often then not I'll take a jumper if it means I have a better opportunity to limit the offense to one possesion and get a couple extra myself. Or erase one of theirs with a block.

As gimp as Billups is he's not going to be stoped by featherweight Rondo. Just like Pierce does to lightweights Rondo will end up forcing him to drive to one lane and Billups will create contact all the way there. We need a Perkins and KG nearby to provide help defense on that stuff. and I don't even want to think of Rip coming of a screen and going all the way to the hoop for a layup with Perkins 17 feet away, and KG about the same with Sheed.

ParticleMan wrote:The strategy is fine. It's a miracle when Dice scores 20+ per game. But if we didn't double on Rip/Billups they'd put up 30+ on us. the C's were just lazy closing out on Dice.

It's a pick your poison thing. If Antonio McDyess is going to beat us then you just gotta tip your hat.

exactly mcdyess is the guy that the celts are going to cheat off of and rondo is the guy the pistons are going to cheat off of. Rondo needs to start taking a couple of those extra looks they're giving him and mcdyess needs to get out of this unlikely rhythm he has and stop hitting the majority of his open jumpers.

Blame Perk, obviously. He's a top 10 worst finisher down low, always turning it over, getting it blocked, can't catch a pass...ala Mark Blount. Gotta love those 1 rebound games from Kendrick.

This has nothing to do with pick and rolls.

Except for the fact that McDyess is getting the jumpshot off pick and rolls. McDyess and Wallace set screens (pick) and then pop to the open spot for the jump shot (roll). Whether you wanna call it the pick and roll, the pick and pop, screen and roll, whatever, thats what the Pistons do.

Perk can't take all the blame here as Garnett had his share of miscues in the 4th qtr. last night. Perk has to get quicker in the off season in order to rotate better on players. Detroit should get a lot of credit being a veteran team, they were much more a total team last night moving the ball well and sharing it. During the year we were a consistant team, and now we aren't consistant at all except for being inconsistant. I believe Cassell has a lot to do with it along with TA not being in the rotation.

Tom Thibideaus fault. His defense has proved to be a playoff loser.