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I saw this on the front page of realgm, that Dwade has been mentioned int rade talks for the bulls. Dwade for the #2 pick and probably Kirk.. That would be really interesting for both teams imo.. For the heat if they go that route, than Marion is going to be used ina a sign adn trade but they end up with Derrick Rose and Beasly to build around which would be intrigunig. For the Bulls, they get a proven player, a hometown hero and a guy who is still young.. You than can buld aorund Wade/Deng amybe move Gordon for a true pg and have Dwade at the 2. Yuo still Have Noah and TT to either make a move with or to see how they mature. Hmmm... I dunno, this ay be one of the first trades that MAY make sense

That would be interesting, I can't say I'm a fan of Ben Gordon but he would be an ideal 6th man/spot starter similar to what Terry is in Dallas or Manu in SA. I'm not sure we would be able to get in on any of this anyways.

I just don't see this happening. IMO, Miami is closer to competing deep in the playoffs then they are completely rebuilding. Unless there are concerns about Wade being injury prone I don't see Riley trading him away even for the top pick.

Well, #2 and Kirk doesn't make sense. First of all, the Chicago has #1 pick, so it'll have to be #1 and if the Heat does trade for that, they'll be picking Rose and Beasley, so Hinrich doesn't fit. If they were to replace Hinrich with Deng, then the trade might work.

Chicago gets a young big time player in Wade to help them get somewhere next year with their core of Hinrich, Noah, Thomas, etc. And the Heat will have a great jump start to their rebuilding phase with Beasley and Rose to build around.

I hope that happens. Only because I want to see who they pick first, rose or beasley. And hear their reasoning for it.

This Derrick Rose thing is the biggest misdirection in the history of sports. As great a year as Chris Paul and Deron Williams had would anyone trade Amare for one of them? For all of this PG love how come Derek Fisher and Tony Parker have all the rings?

I don't think you need to have the tradional big man to win anymore and you can even get by with a guy like LeBron, and pgs are certainly a piece to the puzzle, but you aren't winning a title with Derrick Rose if Haslem or Noah are your bigs. A lot of pgs have been taken in the top couple of picks of the draft since Isiah won a title and there are no rings to show for it.

Beyond that Rose is several years away from being a great player he has some strange habits for a pg and he doesn't shoot his FT's. I am not saying he isn't a top 2 or 3 pick but if someone leaves a 20/10 big man on the board when they don't have one for this kid they better be ready for another line of work.

This isn't a question of taking the big man or the best player, the big man is the best player.

That is what this is about. Riley is screwed and he knows it. The Bulls getting stupid is the only way to save Wade in Miami. Beasley may be enough to keep Wade but a freshman pg means that the Heat will be back in the lottery again next season and Wade will be moving on anyway.

Obviously Wade is a great player and perhaps the Bulls could use their other pieces to find a championship caliber front court player to pair with him or they could just add the missing piece to what they already have.

sully00 wrote:This Derrick Rose thing is the biggest misdirection in the history of sports. As great a year as Chris Paul and Deron Williams had would anyone trade Amare for one of them?

Do you smoke crack regularly? The only reason the Suns wouldn't trade Amare for Paul is because they have Nash and even then, they probably would and even offer to throw in a few draft picks and Barbosa to make sure the trade goes through.

You think New Orleans will trade Paul for Amare? They wouldn't trade Paul for Amare AND Nash.

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Do you smoke crack regularly? The only reason the Suns wouldn't trade Amare for Paul is because they have Nash and even then, they probably would and even offer to throw in a few draft picks and Barbosa to make sure the trade goes through.

You think New Orleans will trade Paul for Amare? They wouldn't trade Paul for Amare AND Nash.

I am not sure, but I think he meant that when they were coming out of the draft. Would you have traded Amare for the draft pick.

DorfonCeltics wrote:I just don't see this happening. IMO, Miami is closer to competing deep in the playoffs then they are completely rebuilding. Unless there are concerns about Wade being injury prone I don't see Riley trading him away even for the top pick.

^^REALLY??? Besides Wade and Marion, who's probably gone very soon, who else do they have? They are done as contenders for a looooooong time....Chicago has more young actual TALENT to be much closer sooner.

No I meant what I said. Were is Chris Paul right now? Probably smoking crack with Deron Williams wondering how they can get a great big man to play with so they don't get run out of the playoffs. Isiah Thomas is the only little man to lead a team to a championship and he had one of the deapest toughest lineups you ever saw.

Derek Fisher and Rajon Rondo are in the finals because of KG and Gasol. A great pg can help you win a championship and the rules benefit the little guy now more than ever but Steve Nash has no rings, Jason Kidd has no rings, Baron Davis has no rings, AI has no rings, I can go on, the list is long, but the song remains the same.

PG is the most overrated position in the NBA.

As much as I understand that. I would do the amare for paul trade. Maybe a better example would be using Dwight Howard. I would not trade dwight for paul or deron.

The I guess you aren't trying to win a championship.

To me Howard and Amare are two different sides of the same coin. Amare is a the championship offensive big man which means you don't need a Kobe with him at the same time you need a defender at the 5 spot so he can play the 4. You need a number one scorer next to Howard but he is the defensive presence you need.

But why do I need a great pg? It is like having a great running back in football, sure it is great for your fantasy team but in reality you just need solid play from the position not dominant play.

While bigs and pgs tend to compliment each other, if you take it apart great big elevates the play of his pg were the great pgs have tendency to hide the weaknesses of their bigs. It works great until it really counts and then Boozer is Boozer and David West is David West and Tim Duncan is Tim Duncan.

Now to be fair both Williams and Paul have the chance to develop into elite scorers who happen to be pgs and you need that but they don't have to be pgs.

Trading away a healthy DWade who has proven....absolutely PROVEN he can win in the playoffs is down right mind-boggling.

Wade may not be as great a shooter as Kobe Bryant but the dude is super quick, tough as nails, and a complete monster attacking the paint for a guard.

I don't see how you would trade one of the top 5 players in this league when he is healthy and his jumper is dropping.

Wade with a 3 point shot is the best player in the league.

Position doesn't matter as much as how good the player is. Amare will never win caca because he's not that good. If the 2 players in question are of similar level of goodness, then I can understand the edge going to the big, but Amare isn't caca.

If your PG is good enough, as it was for the Pistons of the 80s with Isiah, he can carry your team to championships.

If your SG is good enough, as it was for the Bulls of the 90s, he can carry your team to championships.

If your SF is good enough, as it was for the Celtics of the 80s, he can carry your team to championships.

If your PF is good enough, as it was for the Spurs of the 2000s, he can carry your team to championships.

If your C is good enough, as it was for the Lakers of the early 200s, he can carry your team to championships.

You will never, ever get equal value for Dwyane Wade. Never. Ever. If they believe he is healthy, they must be on crack to think this is a better move for the franchise than building around him. Maybe they don't think Shawn Marion is the right 'other' star, but if that is the case, go out and make a trade for someone who is. Rasheed Wallace, mercurial as he is, will be available. Lamar Odom might, and I'm sure there are a plethora of other names that will crop up in the coming months. You have the #2 pick as well, either Beasley or Rose, two guys who are near-locks to rack up All Star appearances the next 10 years.

For Chicago, this is a no-brainer. Even if you have to give up Deng and the #1, you do it. Put him at 2-guard with Hinrich and play an uptempo game. He's a Chicago native and 1) would be a marketing machine and 2) would be the scorer/superstar they've so desperately been lacking.

Gomes3PC wrote:You have the #2 pick as well, either Beasley or Rose, two guys who are near-locks to rack up All Star appearances the next 10 years.

Only if the NBA decides to go to 30 man roster for allstar games. Do you know how many people claim that about someone every year? Yet, it's the same people plus 1 or 2 new ones at the most that make the allstar game.

Tombattor

No offense but aren't you they guy who has been telling this board how great Zach Randolph is for years, I think I will go with my own eyes and Amare is pretty damn near the best offensive big in the game.

Or better yet I will let the 26/10 on 59% shooting and 80% from the FT line speak for itself.

I think that this is far more tempting for Riley than some imagine. There is a reason that Wade signed the contract that he did and left money on the table, on top of that he is the type of guy who is going to have to play in pain, he isn't going to do that for a 25-30 win team. I don't think that Riley can fix this on the fly. He has 9 guys under contract 2 of them starters, one of them on an option, and no cap space.

If I was Paxson and the Bulls I wouldn't offer much more than Hughes contract and the pick for Wade though.

Yup. I was wrong about Randolph. I just didn't realize what kind of cancer he was and fooled by his offensive repertoire. Oh well. I still think, on a right team, like the Bulls, he can be that go-to interior big. But whatever, I'm not holding my breath for that to happen...

However I see Amare in the similar mold. Obviously, Amare is much better, but I still think Randolph is as gifted as you can get for a big, in terms of post offense and scoring ability. Which is similar to Big AL too, where the whole Randolph thing originally came from.

The problem with Amare is that he just doesn't do anything else. Yes he can score. Yes he gets some boards. But he scores a ton on a team that scores a ton, with one of the best pass-first PGs setting up for him. He also gets a lot of boards because there are a lot more rebounds to go around in Suns games.

On the other hand, he plays no D at all. Anyone matched up against Amare goes for 30+. Before Shaq got there, they had absolutely no defensive presence inside. And if you want to win in the playoffs, that's what you need. If you replaced Amare with Randolph, I doubt you see a significant drop in their points and rebounding production or the win total.

i will take dwade for anyone on our team not named KG!!! name the price.

Tombattor,

Tell me a guy who dropped 25 and 12 like Beasley did in college as a freshman who did not make several All Star games. Please, point him out.

I can see that Rose might not because he has a long way to go and the NBA is chock full of great PGs, but in the East, which is devoid of great big men, Beasley has a chance to shine immediately.