Big Baby Should have Started

return2glory · Post #1 » by **return2glory** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:00 am

Thirthy minutes before game 5, after finding out Perkins was going to be out, I wanted Big Baby to start. I thought Doc might go with Posey or Leon. Posey would also have been a better choice than Leon.

Leon had a great offensive game in game 2, but he was playing against other bench players. Leon proved he can't play against taller NBA starters and was taken out only after 5 minutes and never played again. He was no macth for Gasol or Odem.

The reason I would have gone with Baby over Leon is because of Baby's strenght. Like Perkins, Davis is a very strong player. Because of this, like Perkins, Davis doesn't give up post position easily on defence.

I would have stuck with KG playing against Odem and put Davis on Gasol. Gasol struggles against players that are physical. Don't get me wrong, Powe is also physical, but not like Perkins and Davis. Also keep in mind that Davis had success earlier in the season with tall, weak players in Big Z. He bothered Big Z in the post because he didn't allow Big Z to get close postion inside on him. IMO, Davis would also have bothered Gasol and taken him off his game.

If Perkins can't go in game 6, Doc needs to start Davis.

Chief · Post #2 » by **Chief** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 11:31 am

I am not sure about starting but he should be moved up the pecking order now..

Just one more big push damnit, win game 6 and heal up this offseason.

BigHands · Post #3 » by **BigHands** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:02 pm

return2glory wrote:Thirthy minutes before game 5, after finding out Perkins was going to be out, I wanted Big Baby to start. I thought Doc might go with Posey or Leon. Posey would also have been a better choice than Leon.

Leon had a great offensive game in game 2, but he was playing against other bench players. Leon proved he can't play against taller NBA starters and was taken out only after 5 minutes and never played again. He was no macth for Gasol or Odem.

The reason I would have gone with Baby over Leon is because of Baby's strenght. Like Perkins, Davis is a very strong player. Because of this, like Perkins, Davis doesn't give up post position easily on defence.

I would have stuck with KG playing against Odem and put Davis on Gasol. Gasol struggles against players that are physical. Don't get me wrong, Powe is also physical, but not like Perkins and Davis. Also keep in mind that Davis had success earlier in the season with tall, weak players in Big Z. He bothered Big Z in the post because he didn't allow Big Z to get close postion inside on him. IMO, Davis would also have bothered Gasol and taken him off his game.

If Perkins can't go in game 6, Doc needs to start Davis.

I do not agree.....not start.....Baby is rookie and I think length is more the issue than strength.

cisco · Post #4 » by **cisco** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:49 pm

I do not agree.....not start.....Baby is rookie and I think length is more the issue than strength.

I disagree. Strength is the problem, not length. The problem with LA is their weak interior defense and how much strong the Celtics are. I believe we need Big Baby for his strength inside. KG has the length, but how is that working out? KG's problem is that he doesn't have the strength that Perkins has to hold down the middle. I don't think Baby should start, but he should definitely get some minutes to push Gasol around a bit.

BigHands · Post #5 » by **BigHands** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 1:01 pm

cisco wrote:
I do not agree.....not start.....Baby is rookie and I think length is more the issue than strength.

I disagree. Strength is the problem, not length. The problem with LA is their weak interior defense and how much strong the Celtics are. I believe we need Big Baby for his strength inside. KG has the length, but how is that working out? KG's problem is that he doesn't have the strength that Perkins has to hold down the middle. I don't think Baby should start, but he should definitely get some minutes to push Gasol around a bit.

I agree that KG needs a physical partner but Leon is plenty strong in my opinion.

Obviously Doc has gone back and forth between Leno and Baby all year so it is clearly a potential option even though Baby is a rookie.

So you would put Baby on Gasol? Not challenging, just asking.

Dogen · Post #6 » by **Dogen** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:06 pm

Without Perk, I think Powe is our best starting option, with PJ coming in as needed. This is a tough truth to swallow since we really don't have anyone to guard Pau. I mean, the dude is freaky long. I don't see how Baby can guard him any better than Powe.

humblebum · Post #7 » by **humblebum** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:35 pm

I'm not so sure that he should have started Game 5 but I do believe he should start this next game. Baby is actually a very solid positional defender and as has been mentioned he does pretty well against the taller players by pushing them off the block. Leon isn't all that great of a defender and unless he is dominating inside offensively he quickly becomes a net negative. Defense will be much more important in this next game. The C's cannot allow the Lakers to get over 100 points again.

armageddon · Post #8 » by **armageddon** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:31 pm

I absulutely agree. I felt this was the right time to start Davis. He causes a little chaos when he's on the floor and fouls hard. Hard fouls were completely non-existant in game 5. He also gets offensive rebounds, and there have been many of those opportunities the last 2 games early on. They have the book on all the other players.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #9 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:06 pm

Powe starting was fine...I would have liked to have seen more of him, and Davis off the bench, however.

Post #10 » by **sully00** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:21 pm

You can't be serious with the Leon was fine stuff.

I don't know that starting Davis was or will be the answer but it couldn't have been much worse

While he is short he can stop opponents from getting into the post and just as significantly he makes a it a long trip to get around him when they swing into the lane. Pau isn't going over top of him anyhow.

Baby is just as foul prone as any young big man so it is difficult to put him in this situation but it is exactly the match up he has excelled against.

There is also isn't a lot of guys with floor burns wearing purple so just the fact that some bodies start hitting the floor could be enough to take the starch out of some of those wuss bags.

return2glory · Post #11 » by **return2glory** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:26 pm

Dogen wrote:Without Perk, I think Powe is our best starting option, with PJ coming in as needed. This is a tough truth to swallow since we really don't have anyone to guard Pau. I mean, the dude is freaky long. I don't see how Baby can guard him any better than Powe.

Why is Powe our best starting options without Perkins? Just because he had one good game? It's all about match ups. Powe has a hard time with players taller than him on the offensive and specially defensive side. It was a joke how he couldn't even box out Gasol. I'm taking about Gasol's put back and 1.

It's all about matchups. I'll say it again. Davis is more physical than Powe. Gasol struggles against physical play. Davis is one of the strongest players in the NBA and uses his strength to push post players out of their comfort zone. Also having Davis on Gasol would have allowed KG to stay with and shut down Odem.

Rocky5000 · Post #12 » by **Rocky5000** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 5:57 pm

Big Baby iced Tim Duncan, I'd like to see what he can do against a softie like Gasol.

MaxwellSmart · Post #13 » by **MaxwellSmart** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:25 pm

I was screaming at my big screen for Doc to put in Big Baby.....without Perkins,we were getting pushed around BIGTIME in the paint...KG and PJ are too skinny as a tandem----The Baby would have carved out some space for KG to operate....Wake up Doc.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #14 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:30 pm

Rocky5000 wrote:Big Baby iced Tim Duncan, I'd like to see what he can do against a softie like Gasol.

Gasol would go crying to his mamacita in Espana to make is stop, make the big bad man stop hurting me!!!!!

:lol:

boykins_2 · Post #15 » by **boykins_2** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:30 pm

return2glory wrote:
Dogen wrote:Without Perk, I think Powe is our best starting option, with PJ coming in as needed. This is a tough truth to swallow since we really don't have anyone to guard Pau. I mean, the dude is freaky long. I don't see how Baby can guard him any better than Powe.

Why is Powe our best starting options without Perkins? Just because he had one good game? It's all about match ups. Powe has a hard time with players taller than him on the offensive and specially defensive side. It was a joke how he couldn't even box out Gasol. I'm taking about Gasol's put back and 1.

It's all about matchups. I'll say it again. Davis is more physical than Powe. Gasol struggles against physical play. Davis is one of the strongest players in the NBA and uses his strength to push post players out of their comfort zone. Also having Davis on Gasol would have allowed KG to stay with and shut down Odem.

You didn't watch that play very carefully, that ball was tapped to Gasol by accident. He had him boxed out.
"just because he had one good game"?
Your a fool if you think games like that are a dime a dozen.
Powe's earned his time with his play.

giambijuice · Post #16 » by **giambijuice** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:01 pm

return2glory wrote:
Dogen wrote:Without Perk, I think Powe is our best starting option, with PJ coming in as needed. This is a tough truth to swallow since we really don't have anyone to guard Pau. I mean, the dude is freaky long. I don't see how Baby can guard him any better than Powe.

Why is Powe our best starting options without Perkins? Just because he had one good game? It's all about match ups. Powe has a hard time with players taller than him on the offensive and specially defensive side. It was a joke how he couldn't even box out Gasol. I'm taking about Gasol's put back and 1.

It's all about matchups. I'll say it again. Davis is more physical than Powe. Gasol struggles against physical play. Davis is one of the strongest players in the NBA and uses his strength to push post players out of their comfort zone. Also having Davis on Gasol would have allowed KG to stay with and shut down Odem.

i think pj should have started for perk and bring powe and baby off the bench.

i am not a big spell check guy but there are only four letters in odom and he's been around for ever.

ARB729 · Post #17 » by **ARB729** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:11 pm

I know I'm gonna get killed here, but, I do not think Davis should have played/should play. Sure he shows flashes some games but then he disappears for games at a time. He has strength no doubt, but Gasol would abuse him off the dribble and pulling up. He was good against Duncan because he is most effective facing away from the basket, and Davis had the obvious size advantage.

Plus, Leon is an excellent offensive rebounder, and a much more consistent overall rebounder than Davis. I was disappointed with Leon's performance last night, however.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #18 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:29 pm

^^Well said.

Datruth345 · Post #19 » by **Datruth345** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:34 pm

i go with Posey to spread the floor

Rondo
Ray
P
Posey
Kg

one less guy they can sag off, you have to play Posey straight up at the 3 point line, as he has proven many times he will burn you if you are sleeping.
On defense i can't say i have specific memories of when him and Odom have been matched up, that can be a good thing in that there was no plays where Odom abused him, I'm not sure, but i do know Posey can defend just about any 2-3/4 in the league so Odom should be no different

MyInsatiableOne · Post #20 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:38 pm

Datruth345 wrote:i go with Posey to spread the floor

Rondo
Ray
P
Posey
Kg

one less guy they can sag off, you have to play Posey straight up at the 3 point line, as he has proven many times he will burn you if you are sleeping.
On defense i can't say i have specific memories of when him and Odom have been matched up, that can be a good thing in that there was no plays where Odom abused him, I'm not sure, but i do know Posey can defend just about any 2-3/4 in the league so Odom should be no different

I would rather see House in to start instead of Rondo...spread them out and keep them honest on D. Rondo let's them cheat off of him, until he starts taking those **** :censored:

layups they give him instead of kicking it out ALL THE DAMN TIME!!!!