OT: Al Jefferson or the #1 pick

Post #1 » by **UGA Hayes** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:48 pm

There is an interesting thread on the Chicago board started by a minny poster asking if they would trade The #1 pick for Al Jefferson. The chicago board seems pretty split. Itgoes to show that Minny really did get a valuable asset in the draft that such a question can be asked. So I propose thie same question If you had to choose between Al Jefferson and the number one pick assuming it was Beasley who would you choose?

Datruth345 · Post #2 » by **Datruth345** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 7:59 pm

Weird Question But I Still Love Big Al...So I'd Take Him

He's A Good Kid, Determined To Improve, Monster In The Post, Top Level Rebounder, Can Improve Defensivley, But Beasley Isn't So Hot Defensivley Either

You Can't Argue With His Production Last Season, And His Improvement From Year To Year

-Started Every Game
-Shot 50% From The Field
-21 Points A Game
-11 Rebounds A Game, 4 Offensive
-1.5 Blocks

He Is Just Going To Biuld On That Going Forward

celtics543 · Post #3 » by **celtics543** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:00 pm

I would choose Al, he already has great post moves and is a legit big man in the league. Beasley has the ability to be a great big man, but I just think Al is one of those guys that doesn't come around very often. I'm biased though, because he's my favorite non-celtic and I really enjoyed watching him mature. If I was Chicago though and this trade was on the table, I'd have to seriously think about it. The rest of there team seems to be ready to go right now and I think that adding Al would be more beneficial than adding Rose/Beasley.

A lineup of:

Hinrich, Gordon, Deng, Gooden, Jefferson

could so some damage in the east, because Al can score down low and play on the block. They would still need a big defensive center like Perk or Chandler to go with Big Al, but they would be much closer than they would be with Beasley or Rose.

freakon0mics · Post #4 » by **freakon0mics** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:08 pm

Its easily Al Jefferson. Beasley is versatile and can be matchup problems but Big Al is a one of a kind specimen. They don't make big men like him no more. As we have seen in the playoffs, you need a big men that can score in the paint and Big Al is a relentless one. He isn't soft.

SonicYouth34 · Post #5 » by **SonicYouth34** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:35 pm

Big Al is what they hope Beasley will become, so why take the risk when Minny already has the real deal? Jefferson is a straight stud and should be untradable IMO

Rocky5000 · Post #6 » by **Rocky5000** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 9:32 pm

Al is worth more than the number 1 this year.

DJToLarry · Post #7 » by **DJToLarry** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:49 pm

I'd take Al over Beasley, but Rose over Al. Rose is going to impact his team along the lines of CP3 and Deron Williams. Will eventually be a lockdown defender. I think he just wins you more games than Big Al.

campybatman · Post #8 » by **campybatman** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:37 am

If I'm either Chicago or Miami, I trade the first or second overall pick for an already established player who's still young and having upside. The problem is that those players likely aren't on the block.

L. James
Wade
Anthony
Bosh
D. Williams
Paul
D. Howard

Maybe...

M. Ellis
Stuckey

Post #9 » by **sully00** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:15 am

I don't know if Al Jefferson is always worth the #1 pick but in this draft and for the Chicago Bulls it is automatic. I like Beasley a ton but Al is better and Al can play center. The Bulls desperately need a low post offensive player and they have a guy like Noah who can actually compliment Al.

I feel so bad for Bulls fans if they take Rose first overall. How can you have Hinrich and Gordon, guys you took with top 5 picks and think the answer is in another guard who probably couldn't beat either of them out for mins over the next year or two? But they traded Elton Brand away so who can be surprised.

This kid isn't CP3 or Deron Williams, he doesn't have the experience they had, beyond that who would they be without Boozer and David West?

Tenbomber · Post #10 » by **Tenbomber** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:03 am

I take Al Jefferson in an instant....lets not forget that this kid is still developing......he's already a monster and once someone is added to the Timberwolves roster to help him underneath and compliment his game, he will only continue to improve....

When you have a talent like his, hard to trade it for an unproven prosect IMO.....

I think we can all agree form the lessons learned in the Celtic's recent past...it takes time for these young players to become NBA stars....and just as many good draft day prospects simply wash out....

If I'm Minnesotta.... I KEEP AL!

Post #11 » by **Spin Move** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:16 am

Not even close Big Al is a sure thing at this point 20 and 10 guy who will likley get better with time, Beasly might turn into that, and as far as PG prospects Rose is no Chris Paul or Derron Williams in college, maybe he could have been with another year or two but production wise he was not anywhere near paul;s level.

MalReyn · Post #12 » by **MalReyn** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:07 am

Am I the only one who would take the #1 pick (and Beasley)?

Don't get me wrong, Al played outstanding ball this past year and is only going to get better. But Beasley has the potential to be an offensive juggernaut. His skills around the basket are simply amazing.

Sure, maybe Al is what Beasley hopes to "become." But in all honesty I think Beasley will come into this league and average 20 ppg right away, and his upside is higher than Jefferson's. The biggest advantage Big Al has is he can play center. But while I think Al will be an All-Star for the next 10 years, Beasley could very well be an MVP talent.

D1SGRUNTL3D · Post #13 » by **D1SGRUNTL3D** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:11 am

Eh, I said a weekend sports guy suggested the trade.

I think he's crazy though, id rather have Jefferson. His low post arsenal of moves is unbelievable to watch, one of the most unguardable guys in the league.

Post #14 » by **Spin Move** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:06 am

MalReyn wrote:Am I the only one who would take the #1 pick (and Beasley)?

Don't get me wrong, Al played outstanding ball this past year and is only going to get better. But Beasley has the potential to be an offensive juggernaut. His skills around the basket are simply amazing.

Sure, maybe Al is what Beasley hopes to "become." But in all honesty I think Beasley will come into this league and average 20 ppg right away, and his upside is higher than Jefferson's. The biggest advantage Big Al has is he can play center. But while I think Al will be an All-Star for the next 10 years, Beasley could very well be an MVP talent.

Did you see Beasley's measurements? He is almost a tweener. He is only 6'7 without shoes, IE only say an inch then paul pierce who measured 6'6 without shoes or 3/4ths an inch shorter then big baby, let me repeat that, he is 3'4's an inch shorter then big baby without shoes. Big Al measured at 6'8.5 without shoes and 6'9.75 with. Beasly is only 6'8.25 with shoes with a 8'11 standing reach. Jeffersons is 9'2 thats a big difference. Beasly is very skilled but that lack of size will likley make it harder for him to repeat his success in the nba. Think Kmart, tottaly dominant in college, Good but not great in the pros

P2 · Post #15 » by P2 » Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:28 am

Big Al any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

MalReyn · Post #16 » by **MalReyn** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 2:25 pm

Spin Move wrote:
MalReyn wrote:Am I the only one who would take the #1 pick (and Beasley)?

Don't get me wrong, Al played outstanding ball this past year and is only going to get better. But Beasley has the potential to be an offensive juggernaut. His skills around the basket are simply amazing.

Sure, maybe Al is what Beasley hopes to "become." But in all honesty I think Beasley will come into this league and average 20 ppg right away, and his upside is higher than Jefferson's. The biggest advantage Big Al has is he can play center. But while I think Al will be an All-Star for the next 10 years, Beasley could very well be an MVP talent.

Did you see Beasley's measurements? He is almost a tweener. He is only 6'7 without shoes, IE only say an inch then paul pierce who measured 6'6 without shoes or 3/4ths an inch shorter then big baby, let me repeat that, he is 3'4's an inch shorter then big baby without shoes. Big Al measured at 6'8.5 without shoes and 6'9.75 with. Beasly is only 6'8.25 with shoes with a 8'11 standing reach. Jeffersons is 9'2 thats a big difference. Beasly is very skilled but that lack of size will likley make it harder for him to repeat his success in the nba. Think Kmart, tottaly dominant in college, Good but not great in the pros

First of all, the importance of measurements is overstated. Beasley will not have a problem playing PF in the pros (and depending where he goes he could end up at SF anyway). Also, he has 10 times the offensive repertoire that Kenyon had at Cincy. The only thing they have in common is similar size and athleticism. Beasley will have no problem scoring in the NBA, like Kenyon did (especially when he no longer had Kidd).

Anyway, this is one of those threads that if pulled up 5 years from now is guaranteed to make one of us look foolish....

tombattor · Post #17 » by **tombattor** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:15 pm

If the Bulls can get Al for the #1 pick, straight up, then it's a great move for them. They sorely needed a big time low-post scorer to get them to the next level. Al's D needs a lot of work, but with guys like Noah and Thomas, who are more of defensive players, he'd be a great fit. They also have good perimeter players like Deng, Hinrich and Gordon, so he would fit in very nicely.

As I always say, proven is always better than a prayer and Al has proven to be a very effective low post scorer, where as Rose and Beasley have the potential to be very good players, but there is at least some doubt whether they'll ever even be as good as Big Al. And it's not like Al is that old.

Gomes3PC · Post #18 » by **Gomes3PC** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:49 pm

Would definitely be interesting if Minny traded Jefferson for the #1 pick. McHale probably would never do it because he is heralding Big Al as the reason why trading KG was worth it, but if they did, they could get a true PG in Derrick Rose to play next to Randy Foye. Their frontcourt would be barren but they could draft a guy like Brook Lopez at #3 and another big like DJ White at the top of the 2nd round. Let Rose and run wild up top and use guys like Brewer on the wing to play D and capitalize on the good passing guards they'd have.

Meanwhile, the Bulls would finally have the big they need and be ready right now to compete in the East and even possibly go deep in it. Hinrich-Gordon-Deng-Jefferson-Noah is a nice 5-man group to say the least.

Prophet_C · Post #19 » by **Prophet_C** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:55 pm

I'd much rather have Al than the #1

Bad-Thoma · Post #20 » by **Bad-Thoma** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 10:17 pm

I can't even pretend to be objective on this one, I'd take Al in a minute. If he played on a good team with some exposure everyone would join up with most Celtic's and Wolves fans and agree. Beasley does have some great potential, but Al has already produced.