Have the Celtics Made a QO to Tony Allen?

[Jammer]

Isn't the deadline for the Celtics to make their qualifying offer to Tony Allen like June 25 (today)??

Because if they don't offer him a 1 year contract for $2.8 Million, he will no longer be a RFA
(as an RFA the Celtics can match any offers he gets, or negotiate their own multi-year deal with him).

On the other hand, if the Celtics don't make a QO, Tony will be a UFA and able to sign with any team that he chooses.

[Rocky5000]

I haven't heard anything. According to the globe today, Danny isn't going to resign all of his FAs but hopes to resign Posey. That could mean that Tony is on the way out.
EDIT:
From http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm I found that the deadline is the 30th. Today is for players that would be restricted free agents.

June 25
Last day to exercise player option if player will be a restricted free agent (see question number 50).
June 30
Option years (except scale contracts) and ETOs must be exercised (see question number 50)

Deadline for qualifying offers

[Fencer reregistered]

I haven't seen anything that says they're not going to make a qualifying offer. The closest is one reference that the Cs will "allow [him] to test the market."

[Celts17Pride]

I haven't seen anything that says they're not going to make a qualifying offer. The closest is one reference that the Cs will "allow [him] to test the market."

Celtics won't make Tony Allen the qualifying offer and will let him be an unrestricted free agent. The qualifying offer is for $2.75 million and the Celtics are probably afraid that he will take it. This would cost the Celtics twice that amount because of the luxury tax. The Celtics are not going to pay $5.50 million for Tony Allen.

The only way Tony Allen remains with the Celtics is if he takes a Eddie House type contract (1 year at $1.5 million), otherwise Tony Allen will be wearing a different uniform next season.

This is just my opinion.

[sully00]

You would have to figure the draft plays into their decision. It they can land an NBA ready SG like Lee or decide to go with Jamont Gordon who you can only assume will be there then you figure they aren't going to give him the QO.

It is a lot of money when you factor in the tax, Grant Hill played for just shy of a million dollars less last season. I think Tony will probably get that and more on a 2-3 year deal on the market but it doesn't mean it is a good idea for Boston.

[avi623]

You would have to figure the draft plays into their decision. It they can land an NBA ready SG like Lee or decide to go with Jamont Gordon who you can only assume will be there then you figure they aren't going to give him the QO.

You beat me to the punch. If they end up with Courtney Lee, Jordan, or possibly (I hope) Billy Walker, then Tony can start packing, though Walker would complicate things (b/c of injuries). If they trade, go Euro, or go big, TA will get an offer (though it will be nothing substantial). I don't think his value is very high around the league, especially in light of his own knee problems, so if need be, I don't think it will be too pricey to hold on to him

As much as I love him though, it looks like Tony has peaked, and probably is not going to develop the offensive game needed to play extended minutes, consistently on a championship team. In a world of a salary cap and luxury tax, you have to chose. And, I will chose Po-Z over TA.

[sully00]

You nailed avi623. It isn't about Tony's value, he is probably worth 2.75 mil around the league but that is money you could use to resign Posey. I would love to give Tony Scal's money but we can't so you wish him the best.

[Jammer]

You guys are looking at this all wrong.

You don't give up talent for nothing.

You re-sign Posey, House, Tony Allen, and still have the LLE.

If anything, to clear salary, you dump players that are not in the rotation to lower than luxury tax bite.

That means giving Scal to a team with cap room, like Seattle or Golden State or Memphis (if Memphis gets rid of Brian Cardinal on draft day, they might be amenable to Scal).

It also means trading Pruitt, and seriously looking to move Big Baby to get a center with true center length and some offensive skills.

[Gomes3PC]

If I were the Celtics, I'd probably let Tony walk. For whatever reason, he was on the outs by the end of the year for the rotation. I think he he deserves a chance somewhere else that needs a wing to play D and have a chance to start. Even if it is a crappy team like the Bobcats, I hope if he is not a Celtic that he will go to a place where he'll get a real shot at starting. If he believes his knee is 100%, then he can be an extremely effective slasher and defender, and a potential 15-18 PPG player, with 5 rebounds, 2-3 assists, and 2-3 steals. A guy like TA has a place in the NBA, I'm just not sure that it is in Boston, not at the $5.5m the ownership would be paying him (after luxury tax) to be the 9th guy off the bench.

[GuyClinch]

TA is too talented to let go, IMHO. I hope we hold onto him - but I doubt we will.

Pete

[celticfan42487]

Tony was barely in the rotation as it was for almost all of the year. He may be worth his QO but it really depends on what is out there for us.

Powe,Baby,Pruitt,Scal are already the cap so you can't just pick and choose. Oh tony get's Scal contract and Scal becomes a free agent! You have to live with your bad,bad,bad,bad decesions [that half MLE contract for **** is hurting now isn't it? These become big deals when you're over the cap].

If anything I'd love to trade Scal plus Baby to get an okay backup Center like Mihm and then have enough cap cleared plus roster filled to re-sign Posey with the Full MLE. But it isn't going to happen so oh well.

[GonzoLays]

You guys are looking at this all wrong.

You don't give up talent for nothing.

You re-sign Posey, House, Tony Allen, and still have the LLE.

If anything, to clear salary, you dump players that are not in the rotation to lower than luxury tax bite.

That means giving Scal to a team with cap room, like Seattle or Golden State or Memphis (if Memphis gets rid of Brian Cardinal on draft day, they might be amenable to Scal).

It also means trading Pruitt, and seriously looking to move Big Baby to get a center with true center length and some offensive skills.

Nobody is taking on Scal's contract. Why is that so hard to understand? Why is that people think by giving Gabe Pruitt along with Scalabrine, that teams are going to jump all over that deal? Doesn't even make sense.

In my opinion, TA is going to get the qualifying from the C's. Why wouldn't they? No matter who they get, they are going to have to pay double. So if they give Eddie House or Tyronne Lue 1.8 million per season, they are going to pay 3.6 million.

Danny knows this team needs Tony's athleticism and ability to create his own shot. Last year he was rounding back into form. With a full year of recovery underneath his belt, Tony should be much better next year.

[armageddon]

Unless there's some weird rule against it, you can use TA for a sign and trade with someone like Kwame and still have the full MLE for Posey. TA's contract is now more valuable than TA the player.

[Celts17Pride]

Unless there's some weird rule against it, you can use TA for a sign and trade with someone like Kwame and still have the full MLE for Posey. TA's contract is now more valuable than TA the player.

If the Celtics don't offer TA a qualifying offer then he is an unrestricted free agent. I don't believe the Celtics offered him a qualifying offer so there will be no sign and trade.

[Rocky5000]

They have until the 30th to make a qualifying offer. Also celticfan, he was in the rotation all year, just not in the playoffs, where Doc inexplicably benched both Tony and House, and drastically cut Powe's minutes. Tony averaged 18 minutes a game, last season matching his career average. I don't know why we would get rid of him, we're very very unlikely to get anyone in the draft at 30 or 60 that is as good as Tony. Furthermore, ownership has shown that they don't mind paying the luxury tax at all, and by not making an offer to Tony we aren't going to open up any cap space for us, since we'll be over even if we didn't do anything besides pay our draft picks. 2 million dollars is not a lot of money to them, they paid Scott Pollard 1.2M+ to film Celtics Live last year.

Also it's a bit incorrect to say that Tony's contract is double because we are over the cap. The extra tax that we would pay from signing someone like Tony, Posey, or House is caused just as much by the contracts that we signed the other players to.

[tombattor]

Tony was barely in the rotation as it was for almost all of the year. He may be worth his QO but it really depends on what is out there for us.

Powe,Baby,Pruitt,Scal are already the cap so you can't just pick and choose. Oh tony get's Scal contract and Scal becomes a free agent! You have to live with your bad,bad,bad,bad decesions [that half MLE contract for **** is hurting now isn't it? These become big deals when you're over the cap].

If anything I'd love to trade Scal plus Baby to get an okay backup Center like Mihm and then have enough cap cleared plus roster filled to re-sign Posey with the Full MLE. But it isn't going to happen so oh well.

No one is taking Scal and his contract. Please stop dreaming. Other team's purpose for existence is not to take our **** players.

[Athanacropolis]

Tony was barely in the rotation as it was for almost all of the year. He may be worth his QO but it really depends on what is out there for us.

Powe,Baby,Pruitt,Scal are already the cap so you can't just pick and choose. Oh tony get's Scal contract and Scal becomes a free agent! You have to live with your bad,bad,bad,bad decesions [that half MLE contract for **** is hurting now isn't it? These become big deals when you're over the cap].

If anything I'd love to trade Scal plus Baby to get an okay backup Center like Mihm and then have enough cap cleared plus roster filled to re-sign Posey with the Full MLE. But it isn't going to happen so oh well.

No one (except maybe Memphis) is taking Scal and his contract. Please stop dreaming. Other team's purpose for existence is not to take our **** players.

Fixed!

[Fencer reregistered]

I doubt we're going to have a better player or prospect in the 15th roster slot than Tony. Therefore, I hope they keep him, as they can.

That said -- except in the case of injury or extreme smallball, I don't know that the #4 SG/SF is going to get much burn, as long as Posey stays.

[Gomes3PC]

That's the biggest thing Fencer. If we keep him he's going to cost us over $5m, thanks to the 2x factor of the luxury tax. If he's only getting 5-8 MPG, it's just not worth it. Better to just find an LLE guy, minimum salary guy, or draft a rookie.

[MyInsatiableOne]

^^^This, what he said.

We can do the same or better for cheaper.