Scalabrine, Davis and a second round pick in 2009

campybatman · Post #1 » by **campybatman** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:59 am

I'm Ainge and you're the general manager of another franchise. Please offer me a deal for your young, veteran or expiring contract player(s) in exchange for this package.

BillessuR6 · Post #2 » by **BillessuR6** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:38 am

Just trade this package to a team under the cap...The owners would save around 15 million with a deal like this and we would have a much better balanced roster and more money for Posey and other possible FA targets...

campybatman · Post #3 » by **campybatman** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:14 am

I went to Hoopshype and these are the top five teams with the lowest team salaries as of now.

Below I give my suggestions of a two for one trade (involving the aforementioned players of the Celtics) with each team. They all work on the Trade Checker. Of these, I would do the trade for Morrison if the Bobcats were interested... Supposedly, Morrison is on the block but at the present time he's still likely recovering from a torn ACL in his left knee. This is the only one of the four deals in which the Celtics will actually save money immediately. His contract basically becomes an one and done, if Ainge doesn't desire to get anything for him. If not the Bobcats deal, the next best trade would be for Buckner. Among the four trades, he'll make the least annual salary beginning at $3.7M next season. Morrison would begin at $4.1M next season.

I couldn't come up with a feasible trade that could make sense from the Warriors.

Philadelphia

Reggie Evans - 3 years, $16.7M

Washington

Darius Songaila - 3 years, $15.2M (player option in third year)

Memphis

Greg Buckner - 3 years, $14.5M (player option in third year)

Charlotte

Adam Morrison - 2 years, $15M (team option in second year)

Golden State

N/A

Edit: On second thought, looking at it... Boston might not save any salary by doing most of these deals. Because you still save more money by not doing the deal for Buckner as Scalabrine's annual salary is less than all four players and is for only two years ($11.6M). Still, the only deal worth doing is the Morrison deal. Logically, the Bobcats do this deal because Morrison has proven to be a bust for where they'd drafted him and is currently damaged goods. While the Celtics do this deal because even though both players have two years remaining. Scalabrine's two years are both guaranteed and you're only liable for Morrison next season. Simply drop him thereafter.

Jammer · Post #4 » by **Jammer** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:09 am

Glen Davis is a minimum contract player.

He can be sent to any team without having to take a player back. Simply in exchange for cash or a pick.

The Celtics would not want to take ANY salary back in exchange for Brian Scalabrine. That is the whole point of clearing him off the roster, and the luxury tax.

So, Scalabrine would have to go to either a team under the cap or a team with a trade exception.

There are teams that will be under the cap on July 1 even though they will have Cap Holds for unsigned and unrenounced free agents as well as unsigned First Round Picks.

Hopefully Scal ends up on one of them.

BadWolf · Post #5 » by **BadWolf** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:20 am

bonsaiflipflops wrote:I

Adam Morrison - 2 years, $15M (team option in second year)

Still, the only deal worth doing is the Morrison deal. Logically, the Bobcats do this deal because Morrison has proven to be a bust for where they'd drafted him and is currently damaged goods. While the Celtics do this deal because even though both players have two years remaining. Scalabrine's two years are both guaranteed and you're only liable for Morrison next season. Simply drop him thereafter.

We're a sanctuary for players with repaired ACLs.

cisco · Post #6 » by **cisco** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:30 pm

I wouldn't trade Big Baby just yet. If he can get in a bit better shape and develop his game more, I think he's a better prospect than Powe.... he's a very skilled big man and has a high BBIQ for a rookie (something Danny looks for in players). He was able to learn the offensive and defensive rotations in his rookie year (something that can't be said of Powe). He's a much better passer and defensive player than Powe and since this team is built on defense, I think I might want to keep Baby over Powe after next season (But I'd like to see both of them back for next year). Baby was just a rookie this season and made a bigger impact than Powe did in his rookie season.

Don't get me wrong, I think Powe is the better player right now. I just think that when all is said and done, Baby will end up being better (provided he keeps his weight under control of course).

Post #7 » by **canman1971** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:22 pm

Why do people continue to try and trade Scal? Nobody is going to take him unless the Cs take back a worse player (tough to find) with more years/money left on their contract. Scal doesn't make that much money, so the Cs are just better off holding on to him until he can be used as filler in his final year.

Datruth345 · Post #8 » by **Datruth345** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:22 pm

i have said this many times before, and i will say it again

Yes Scal is overpaid, perhaps vastly so
but he does not have a bad contract, his contract is by no means an albatross, just a nuisance

campybatman · Post #9 » by **campybatman** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:23 pm

I believe both Powe and Davis' contracts expire after next season. The decision must be made by Ainge right now what to do. To me, it's illogical to retain both. Keep Powe and gauge league interest in Davis now or before the trade deadline next season. I mean it makes sense to have three point guards and three centers on your team with those being the most significant, in my opinion. But, if you're Boston, why do you need four power forwards? And you'll have a fifth stand-in power forward, if Posey resigns next season. Again, I would do the Morrison trade if Charlotte were willing to agree.

billfromBoston · Post #10 » by **billfromBoston** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:45 pm

bonsaiflipflops wrote:I believe both Powe and Davis' contracts expire after next season. The decision must be made by Ainge right now what to do. To me, it's illogical to retain both. Keep Powe and gauge league interest in Davis now or before the trade deadline next season. I mean it makes sense to have three point guards and three centers on your team with those being the most significant, in my opinion. But, if you're Boston, why do you need four power forwards? And you'll have a fifth stand-in power forward, if Posey resigns next season. Again, I would do the Morrison trade if Charlotte were willing to agree.

...if I was Boston, i'd try and do a sign-and-trade with Indiana for Jeff Foster...Scal + Davis + 3million cash to cover Scal's 2nd year...Foster is the backup center the team can keep for the next 3 years and honestly, the team does have to make a decision on Davis/Powe before the trade deadline or else they get nothing...they have restricted rights on Powe, but Davis will be unrestricted...

...I think it is quite clear to the organization that Powe will maximize his potential 100% and that Davis is a much lesser probability to do so...one more year of conditioning isn't going to do much to answer the doubts-Davis may be motivated by a contract year, but he certainly won't be able to shed 30-40 pounds in one off-season...

...I also think the team made its decision on who the better prospect is after this past season...Davis is the lesser talent right now in all facets of the game save passing and defending Centers...Powe is the better rebounder, scorer, man defender at the 4, and his efficiency is unbelievable...if the team has 2-3 years to make this decision-a main reason they pushed for 3 years with Davis in the first place-I believe they would have carried out the experiment longer, but Davis wanted UFA and he got it...and it'll probably cost him his spot on this team....they aren't in the business of taking gambles on "potential" when a more proven, and perfectly competent commodity is sitting in their laps...

...Powe will be in Green long after Mr. Davis has moved on, i'd bet the house on it...

theman · Post #11 » by **theman** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:44 pm

How about kicking in that $3 million cash and taking Charlie V off Milwaukee's hands?

kakopedi1 · Post #12 » by **kakopedi1** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:09 pm

theman wrote:How about kicking in that $3 million cash and taking Charlie V off Milwaukee's hands?

I like it. Or Charlie Bell which would be even better.

campybatman · Post #13 » by **campybatman** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:13 pm

billfromBoston wrote:...if I was Boston, i'd try and do a sign-and-trade with Indiana for Jeff Foster...Scal + Davis + 3million cash to cover Scal's 2nd year...

So, the inclusion of next year's second round pick wouldn't suffice in your deal? Why include money instead? Has Foster opted out? Personally, I'm not giving Indiana money and I would imagine they'll want to retain Foster anyways. Because I think they could lose Harrison as well. That only leaves them with Nesterovic at center. Murphy will have to play double duty in their front court, again.

BillessuR6 · Post #14 » by **BillessuR6** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:02 pm

They have Hibbert also...

threrf23 · Post #15 » by **threrf23** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:23 pm

If we could land Foster for this package, great. It might be possible. Scal gives Jim O'brien another 3 pt shooter to play alongside Troy Murphy.

I wouldn't expect us to land anything too special for this package. Really, all in all, I'm not in favor of trading Glen Davis because I think his short term and long term potential as a role player exceeds whatever his current trade value probably is.

campybatman · Post #16 » by **campybatman** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:03 pm

The thing about Davis is: What's his importance on this team? Right now he isn't ahead of Powe to back of Garnett and he isn't a center. Then there's the uncertainty of his weight. Where will his weight be before the start of next season? Does he lose value if you remove the "Big Baby" out of Glen Davis? That is, does he primarily become a power forward if slimed down significantly? Can he play small forward in this new body as well? For me, Davis creates too many questions when talking about him right now. You know what you'll likely get from Powe.