Childress?

[Red2]

If we lose Posey how about a run at Childress? I can't take credit for this idea since I saw it somewhere else but I think it makes sense. He gives you depth at the 2 and 3 and he is long and can be a good defender especially once Thibedeau gets ahold of him. We'd have to wait though until someone signs Josh Smith.Once that happens Atlanta will have to match and a MLE offer to CHildress will put them in a tough spot. The only other guy who interested me going into the off season was Ron "Im Crazy as a Loon" Artest. He can defend as well as Posey and is a better offensive player but he comes with so much baggage that he needs his own porter. Someone will try to get him before the off season is over. I'm not optimistic that we keep posey even though I would like to. Regardless of what happens the east just got a lot more interesting with Brand going to Philly. It's going to be like old times with Moses versus Chief and Doc versus Bird. Did we miss the boat on Chalmers? He was there for us at 30 when we picked Giddens. I know you can't base too much on 2 summer league games but the early reports on him are pretty glowing. Meanwhile our own guy didn't even show up for mini camp.

[sully00]

This is certainly a pipe dream but at the same time if Boston was willing to give him a sweetheart full MLE deal with an opt in 3 years and Childress wanted it the reality is that ATL likely can't resign both Smith and Childress and remain below the lux tax and if anyone thinks they are paying the lux tax they are in crack.

[MyInsatiableOne]

If we ever got Childress it would need to be stipulated in his contract that he must shave off that hideous fro and that he learn to shoot properly.

[GregB]

If we lose Posey. Gomes and Childress are the next best options, Both guys would have to get the Full MLE since they are restricted. I think Atlanta will likely match. Especially if they lose Smith. If they resign Josh then they might not match. I dont think Minnesota would match a Full MLE offer for Gomes. But It leads to the question, Why not just give Posey the money? Unless you think one of those 2 will outperform him thoughout the life of the deal.

[tombattor]

Childress could work, but if we're willing to give Childress a full MLE, why not give that to Posey? Yes, Childress is a little younger, but it's not like we're going to be contending when the big 3 are gone anyways nor is Childress the kind of player that can lead us to contention post-Big 3.

[return2glory]

Childress would be great. He is a player that I've liked for a while now. Matt Barnes would also be a decent option. And Ryan Gomes is a player that knows how to play the game. He will be better when surrounded by talented players.

[Truthiracy]

I'll take Gomes or MAYBE Childress if Posey leaves. Ryan's a good kid, good character. Childress is a last resort in my eyes, he's being overrated now.

[Tricky Ricky]

We have 0% chance at Chilldress, especially if J Smoove goes somwhere else, I would love him though

[armageddon]

I've always felt Childress is too soft. He was that way in college but I haven't seen him play enough in the pros to still know if this is true. I don't recall him making any impact on the 7 games we played this spring. I don't like him.

[buckner1976]

Childress could work, but if we're willing to give Childress a full MLE, why not give that to Posey? Yes, Childress is a little younger, but it's not like we're going to be contending when the big 3 are gone anyways nor is Childress the kind of player that can lead us to contention post-Big 3.

i just dont get this kind of attitude. to assume we have no chance of compteting past the big 3. that danny cant or wont put us in a position to add new talent gradually as the big 3 is phased out. hes already started that process with giddens and waler. we have rondo and perk. whos to say we cant later on add a piece to help keep us competitive? it is so defeatist. you have no idea what can happen between now and then.

[GuyClinch]

^^^ Agreed - to some extent. Your not going to replace the big 3 guys - at least right away. We are talking about 3 HOF players (perhaps).. PP is the best player the C's have drafted since Bird. That being said..

I don't see any reason to hamstring the team with deadweight. That's what some are suggesting. And this because Posey MAY BE marginally better then a guy like Childress. <g> You know what - Childress might be better. It's not out of the question that a lessor play like Quinton Ross or Mo Evans could outplay Posey in 3 years time..

Think about it - that's what Ainge did LAST year. He acquired some guys for short term deals that didn't hamstring the C's moving forward. And now just because we won he should change his approach? I don't think so.

Pete

[TheSheriff]

If we lose Posey how about a run at Childress? I can't take credit for this idea since I saw it somewhere else but I think it makes sense. He gives you depth at the 2 and 3 and he is long and can be a good defender especially once Thibedeau gets ahold of him. We'd have to wait though until someone signs Josh Smith.Once that happens Atlanta will have to match and a MLE offer to CHildress will put them in a tough spot. The only other guy who interested me going into the off season was Ron "Im Crazy as a Loon" Artest. He can defend as well as Posey and is a better offensive player but he comes with so much baggage that he needs his own porter. Someone will try to get him before the off season is over. I'm not optimistic that we keep posey even though I would like to. Regardless of what happens the east just got a lot more interesting with Brand going to Philly. It's going to be like old times with Moses versus Chief and Doc versus Bird. Did we miss the boat on Chalmers? He was there for us at 30 when we picked Giddens. I know you can't base too much on 2 summer league games but the early reports on him are pretty glowing. Meanwhile our own guy didn't even show up for mini camp.

I love the idea of Childress. He is the guy i recommended in the thread talking about Maggs going to GS. He is a great defender and has more offense than Posey. The best part is he is only 25. Checkout his PER trend: 15.2, 15.8, 16.2, 17.8.

The ATL GM claims he will match any offer to Josh Smith or Josh Childress, but i would call his bluff; when he matches the offer to Josh the Greater, he probably won't want to match the full MLE to Josh the Lesser.

[BobbySura]

Childress could work, but if we're willing to give Childress a full MLE, why not give that to Posey? Yes, Childress is a little younger, but it's not like we're going to be contending when the big 3 are gone anyways nor is Childress the kind of player that can lead us to contention post-Big 3.

posey is worth the mle.

posey is not worth the 6 years or whatever he wants. if he wanted 2-3 years he'd already be signed.

[TheSheriff]

Childress could work, but if we're willing to give Childress a full MLE, why not give that to Posey? Yes, Childress is a little younger, but it's not like we're going to be contending when the big 3 are gone anyways nor is Childress the kind of player that can lead us to contention post-Big 3.

You see that is why i am in favor of trading Ray Allen before he expires. When he expires he doesn't bring the Celtics below the cap, and therefore he cannot be replaced. It is silly to think that Danny is only planning on contending for 2 years. You continue to contend by trading.

And who is to say what trades Danny is going to make. I know Wyc doesn't plan on being in the lottery in 2011 and if we sign Posey to a 4 or 5 year MLE and resign Ray that is exactly where the Celtics are headed. If they sign your guys who will replace Posey's production for 5 years then the Celtics will be a factor for years to come.

[Gomes3PC]

If Posey is not an option, I'd say Childress, Gomes, and Quinton Ross would be on my wishlist. They're all guys who can guard multiple positions. Childress is a better defender than Gomes but Gomes is a much, much better jumpshooter.

In fact, old friend Ryan shot 46% on jumpers last year, and made 59 treys last year, up from just 16 treys and 42% on jumpers in 06-07. He's only 25, meaning you get him for the best years of his career. And you KNOW that 1) he would love to come back here and 2) he would fit in perfectly in the locker room.

Can he provide the D on the wing that we are looking for? Probably not, but a lot of guys played a lot better on defense under Thibodeau than in past years. Ryan has also slimmed down significantly, so I think the lateral quickness will be a bit better than the last time we saw him extensively.

Ross is another really nice player on the bench to have. Not the hype of James Posey, but he just does his job and earns his paycheck. The one thing I don't like is he is an absolute nonfactor in terms of scoring. He's played about 20 MPG in his career and scores just about 4.5 PPG in that time. With two semi-liabilities on offense with Perk and Rondo already, we need a guy who can either hit jumpers or attack the basket from the wing.

[avi623]

Childress could work, but if we're willing to give Childress a full MLE, why not give that to Posey? Yes, Childress is a little younger, but it's not like we're going to be contending when the big 3 are gone anyways nor is Childress the kind of player that can lead us to contention post-Big 3.

Posey is 31, Childress turned 25 three weeks ago. That is not a little younger. That is A LOT younger. Childress would still only be 30 after the 5th year of a full MLE deal, younger than Posey is now.

The difference is that Posey probably will not be nearly as effective in the 3rd year of a 5 year deal, and certainly not in the 4th and 5th years. He has never been a model of durability and has a history of hip and back problems. Childress, barring injury or some other unforeseen circumstance, will be effective throughout the deal.

Plus, the MLE is not max money, so even if we are not a championship contender in years 4 and 5 of his deal, we still have an effective player at a modest price, which is very tradeable if we have to rebuild.

With all that said, I think Childress gets more than the MLE from someone other than Atlanta, probably via sign and trade.

[sully00]

I don't think S&T is an option for ATL they want Childress to play out his QO. A S&T doesn't solve the issue of being over the lux tax, he is not a starter for them, obviously if they would rather him than Marvin Williams then it makes life easier but isn't likely. Their ability to resign Childress is based on Josh Smith's price tag. I don't think he would take the MLE from them but he might take it on the market to get out of ATL if he doesn't think they will match.

[s1ickd]

We need Posey's defense more than his offense. Childress would be more vital than Gomes.

[Tricky Ricky]

Come on guys, I know the summer is slow but we're a lot more likly at resigning Posey than signing Childress. We have literally no chance at Childress, next topic

[Fencer reregistered]

It's not that there are zero players left in FA who could possible be better than Posey -- it's that there are very few.

The best odds by far are just to resign James.