Finley looks at Bos

CWitch · Post #1 » by **CWitch** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 5:57 pm

Finley wouldn't be bad now that Posey is gone.

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/vi ... p?t=438440

Post #2 » by **Darth Celtic** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:55 pm

that would be awesome

Gomes3PC · Post #3 » by **Gomes3PC** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:22 pm

Eh, he's taken a pretty precipitous slide in his offensive production. His PERs the last three years have been 12.7, 13.4, and then a really unimpressive 11.4 this year. His FG% has plummeted from when he moved from key scorer to role player, which I think is because he does not/cannot slash anymore and is pretty much a jump shooter.

If we get him at or near the minimum for a year I wouldn't mind, but honestly there isn't anything he can do better than Tony Allen except for shoot the 3 ball.

threrf23 · Post #4 » by **threrf23** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:37 pm

He's not the shooter he was once, and I think the Spurs board would laugh at us if we signed him. They seem to be rather happy he won't be returning to the Spurs

greenbeans · Post #5 » by **greenbeans** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:02 pm

this i would like. someone with my last name i can root for finally!!

Post #6 » by **ParticleMan** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:45 pm

nah he sucks now. and he can't defend.

campybatman · Post #7 » by **campybatman** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:57 pm

threrf23 wrote:He's not the shooter he was once, and I think the Spurs board would laugh at us if we signed him. They seem to be rather happy he won't be returning to the Spurs

Then they would be laughing at their own front office.

Contrary to reports based on San Antonio's signing of guard Roger Mason Jr., Thomas said the Spurs are very interested in keeping Finley.

GreenGrizz · Post #8 » by **GreenGrizz** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:52 pm

He would be a major distraction for opponents especially while Pierce or RAllen is on the other side.

Post #9 » by **ParticleMan** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:29 am

GreenGrizz wrote:He would be a major distraction for opponents especially while Pierce or RAllen is on the other side.

True that. They will be too busy marveling at the large fork in his back to pay attention to our big 3.

vanillacoke4234 · Post #10 » by **vanillacoke4234** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:46 am

Finley would be an amazing scoring punch off the bench. Only problems are that:

a) We need defense coming off the bench (the kind that Posey had, see the topic 'It is ESSENTIAL that the Celtics replace James Posey')

and
b) We already have enough scoring in the starting lineup (Pierce, Allen, Garnett), as well as off the bench (House). We need to save the remaining money in our MLE funds for a role player, or a player who can play offense AND defense.

Singing Finley to a minimum 1-year contact would be fine, but he'd have to split minutes with Tony Allen, Eddue House and J.R. Giddens off the bench.

GregB · Post #11 » by **GregB** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:35 am

ParticleMan wrote:
GreenGrizz wrote:He would be a major distraction for opponents especially while Pierce or RAllen is on the other side.

True that. They will be too busy marveling at the large fork in his back to pay attention to our big 3.

I think he is done as a heavy rotation player. You prob don't want him as your top 3 wing players anymore. But I think he could be pretty good in short stretches off the bench. I doubt he comes here. But I would be pretty happy if we signed him for the veteran minimum. We could do a lot worse for our 4th wing.

ss1986v2 · Post #12 » by **ss1986v2** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:42 am

threrf23 wrote:He's not the shooter he was once, and I think the Spurs board would laugh at us if we signed him. They seem to be rather happy he won't be returning to the Spurs

the consensus is that we dont want finley back if pop is going to continue to use him as he has been. if hes even sniffing the starting 5, we would riot. if hes fighting udoka for minutes, we would be ecstatic. especially if its at the vet min.

LongTimeFan · Post #13 » by **LongTimeFan** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:20 am

"at league powers", meaning Boston. How far we've come.

Yeh, we're a league power, all right.

Post #14 » by **sully00** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:47 pm

Finley shot 37% from the 3pt line which is exactly what we are looking for. He is a legit SF who can defend in spurts if not the 35 mpg defender he once was. He is also a veteran star who can step up his game to fill in for one of the stars on a given night. He can get to the line and knock down FTs.

While age and health are questions, Finley would seem to be out of central casting.

vanillacoke4234 · Post #15 » by **vanillacoke4234** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:21 pm

sully00 wrote:Finley shot 37% from the 3pt line which is exactly what we are looking for. He is a legit SF who can defend in spurts if not the 35 mpg defender he once was.

I'm sorry sully00, I'm feelin most of what you're saying, but Finley is NOT a defender. He's average at defense, you wouldn't title him as a defender. However, he has made a lot of big shots in his time and I think he can still do that. That is, after all, one of the reasons they brought in Sam Cassell? Like I said, he'd be a nice scoring punch off the bench, but we need a solid offense/defense combo forward right now. A backup PG wouldn't hurt either.

ddb · Post #16 » by **ddb** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:50 pm

I'm not a big fan of bringing Finley to Boston. He's a "gunner". His game is mainly catch and shoot and that's about it. Defensively he's nothing special either. However, i would rather Finley in green then Darius Miles.
I still think Ainge can find a steal to fill the void left by Posey as the season gets closer and players are scrambling for jobs. If not I'm not opposed to keeping our team as is to see how T. Allen, Giddens, Walker can contribute. Remember, we can always go out and bring a player in during the season. Not everything has to be complete by training camp.

billfromBoston · Post #17 » by **billfromBoston** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 9:51 pm

I'd certainly catagorize him as a defender...age has robbed him of some of that ability, but he was always a good defender and that intelligence hasn't left him...

...also, in regards to his shooting percentages, you have to look at the ratio of 3-point shots to 2-point shots...check out his true shooting percentage, which factors for this...Finley has lost virtually nothing in efficiency shooting the ball, he just has a different role that requires more spot-up 3's and less ball-handling/slashing...

SA played well both offensively and defensively when Finley was in the game...he can't play 25+ minutes every night anymore but situational long minutes and consistent stints of 12-18 minutes as a role player are right in his wheel house...

GregB · Post #18 » by **GregB** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:11 pm

billfromBoston wrote:I'd certainly categorize him as a defender...age has robbed him of some of that ability, but he was always a good defender and that intelligence hasn't left him...

...also, in regards to his shooting percentages, you have to look at the ratio of 3-point shots to 2-point shots...check out his true shooting percentage, which factors for this...Finley has lost virtually nothing in efficiency shooting the ball, he just has a different role that requires more spot-up 3's and less ball-handling/slashing...

SA played well both offensively and defensively when Finley was in the game...he can't play 25+ minutes every night anymore but situational long minutes and consistent stints of 12-18 minutes as a role player are right in his wheel house...

I agree.

I wonder what the chances are that he leaves San Antonio. He has been settled there for a few years and He has already won a title. Plus, SA is still a championship contender. Doesn't seem very likely.

Post #19 » by **sully00** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:39 am

vanillacoke4234 wrote:
sully00 wrote:Finley shot 37% from the 3pt line which is exactly what we are looking for. He is a legit SF who can defend in spurts if not the 35 mpg defender he once was.

I'm sorry sully00, I'm feelin most of what you're saying, but Finley is NOT a defender. He's average at defense, you wouldn't title him as a defender. However, he has made a lot of big shots in his time and I think he can still do that. That is, after all, one of the reasons they brought in Sam Cassell? Like I said, he'd be a nice scoring punch off the bench, but we need a solid offense/defense combo forward right now. A backup PG wouldn't hurt either.

I think you need to understand that as a starting SG James Posey is an average defender, this is a fact. As a guy off the bench he is excellent it is a different role. Finley off the bench is a good defender, no he isn't James Posey but he isn't going to hurt the team defense, which was excellent with our without Posey, actually it was statisically much better without him.

I disagree that offense is somehow less of an issue than defense. We have significant room for improvement offensively, we couldn't get much better defensively. Finley could be the piece we are missing. He is player who gives us more scoring than Posey and in a more dynamic fashion and at the same time limit what is missed defensively and with savvy veteran play.

HarlemHeat37 · Post #20 » by **HarlemHeat37** » Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:23 am

wow, are some of you being serious?..

I'll give you some information on Finley from what I saw last year, as a Spurs fan..

Finley is a defender? where the **** did this come from? Finley might have been above average at some point in his career, but he's an absolutely terrible defender at this point..he's decent at defending a guard in the post-up position, but he can't stay in front of anybody at this point..he WILL be masked with the Celtics D though, so that won't be a problem..it just doesn't make any sense for anybody to go as far as saying he's an above average defender, let alone a good defender..

a shooter? yes, he can still shoot on a high level..but it has to be from spotting up..if he's feeding off the rest of the team, getting open shots..then he will make most of those shots, especially 3's..he is no longer consistent with scoring on his own though..I always hated when Finley took a dribble, because it would usually miss..his driving game is pretty non-existent at this point as well..

he's one of the worst passers in the NBA IMO..he was by far the worst entry passer on the team, and he definitely can't create offense for his teammates..

I'd say Finley is worth being on a contender if he's getting as little money as possible and playing about 10 MPG..he's still a very good spot-up shooter and a big-time clutch player..his all-around game is absolutely terrible though..