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Will Celtics showcase Scalabrine next season?

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:04 pm
by campybatman
They should... The opportunity to do so is there. With Posey no longer on the team, Scalabrine has a chance to play more at small forward than power forward with Powe ahead of him. Scalabrine was more or less a bench warmer during the playoffs so he could be eager to find himself back into the rotation. He has two years remaining but that doesn't mean that Ainge will wait another year as Scalabrine's value continues to diminish the longer he doesn't play.

Sometimes, trading a player in his final year is overrated because you're assuming that there will be a taker. It might not work out in your favor unless the contract is packaged with other players. Or that team wants you to take back their player who has more years remaining.

I predict this will be the rotation early on.

Garnett
Pierce
Perkins
Rondo
R. Allen

T.Allen
Powe
House
Scalabrine
Pruitt
Davis

Players on the outside...

O'Bryant
Giddens
Walker

That's too deep of a rotation so either a player between House and Pruitt loses minutes and/or a player between Davis and O'Bryant loses minutes.

Re: Will Celtics showcase Scalabrine next season?

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:21 pm
by Bad-Thoma
Uh... showcase what exactly? Dude, your off the deep end on this one. You want to showcase Scal, you send a video of him making people laugh in the locker room or something, not playing basketball. Scal is no mystery to GM's around the league.

I don't even dislike Scal, but after a month of watching him play no one is going to say, "Hmmm, I think Brian Scalabrine is the piece we need!" His only value in a trade will be as filler or an expiring.

Re: Will Celtics showcase Scalabrine next season?

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:30 pm
by GreenGrizz
I think Ainge is going to waive him if he can get good players cheap.

Re: Will Celtics showcase Scalabrine next season?

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:39 pm
by cisco
Why on earth would Doc and Danny showcase Scal and scare potential trade partners away?

Re: Will Celtics showcase Scalabrine next season?

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:41 pm
by campybatman
GreenGrizz wrote:I think Ainge is going to waive him if he can get good players cheap.



I wonder whether or not the Celtics ownership would be alright with a buyout. It just doesn't make much sense to have Scalabrine's contract and you aren't playing him. That's a lot in salary for an end of the bench guy. Hence, why I believe he could play twelve to fifteen minutes this season.

Re: Will Celtics showcase Scalabrine next season?

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:43 pm
by ParticleMan
Showcasing is something you do when trying to build a team, not win a championship.

Plus his contract really isn't that bad anymore. It's 2 yrs, 6mil. and remember in any trade we can send $3mil, so if we had to we can cover a year of Scal's salary. it's not like scal's some kind of cancer or bad influence. he's a good guy and hard worker by all accounts. he just happens to be not so good at the game of basketball.

Re: Will Celtics showcase Scalabrine next season?

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:57 pm
by campybatman
ParticleMan wrote:it's not like scal's some kind of cancer or bad influence. he's a good guy and hard worker by all accounts. he just happens to be not so good at the game of basketball.



I wasn't implying that he is... I understand Scalabrine isn't a problem and I'm already aware of his salary and years. I just feel like this is an opportunity for both the Celtics and him. He plays more and Ainge gets to gauge the interest in him from other teams next season. Scalabrine didn't publicly complain when his minutes declined. Why not give him a chance next season to earn his contract. He can play both forward positions and the Celtics actually list him as a center too.

By showcase I merely meant allowing him to play as oppose to just sitting on the bench. If it's in the best interest to trade him next season. Then do it. But, he needs to play, in my opinion.

He's a veteran and a heady player with some value on the team. I would think Rivers could recognize that.

Re: Will Celtics showcase Scalabrine next season?

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:10 pm
by GreenGrizz
I wouldn't be surprised if Ainge brings in 3 or 4 more players before the training camp begins.

Re: Will Celtics showcase Scalabrine next season?

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:13 pm
by chakdaddy
How in the world is Scal going to play SF as beefy as he is???? He's not the guy he was in NJ. What he is is a guy who can play some decent D at PF/C and set picks, and hit the rare 3 - unfortunately Davis and Powe are better backups at the 4 than he is.

I seriously think there is a problem in that we don't have a single viable backup 3 with passable size. I don't think Powe can play 3...I don't think we're done making moves.

Re: Will Celtics showcase Scalabrine next season?

Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 11:15 pm
by campybatman
Unfortunately, one of those players could be Miles. Maybe Wells...

Re: Will Celtics showcase Scalabrine next season?

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:21 am
by canman1971
Are you freaking kidding me? Showcase? How about this? Every time Scal steps into a game situation, his value goes down. The only thing valuable for him is his contract, in the final year, with only seconds left before the deadline so the acquiring team would pay the absolute least amount of his salary. If they are going to showcase him for anything, it should be for a Dunkin Donuts commercial.

Re: Will Celtics showcase Scalabrine next season?

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:00 am
by GreenGrizz
Jason Kidd made Scalabrine look good in NJ. I warned against it before Scalabrine signed with us but oh well

Re: Will Celtics showcase Scalabrine next season?

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:43 am
by campybatman
Look, I'm not a fan of Scalabrine either. But, he's not a stiff. He has some skills that are a positive on the Celtics. For one thing, he understands defensive assignments and shifts better than players like Powe and Davis. He isn't a dummy. Some players in the league have loads of talent and aren't as bright as you could hope for them to be. In other words, their NBA IQ, as they say, is quite low. Yeah, they know how to listen but sometimes when on the court you've to think for yourself and make a head's up play or what have you. These players think too much and aren't reacting. Scalabrine seems to know where to be and such. It's just that his talent is nowhere on the level of most of his teammates. So, he sticks out.

Again, play him ten (his average this season) to fifteen minutes a game or trade him when the chance presents itself next season.

Re: Will Celtics showcase Scalabrine next season?

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:08 am
by Bad-Thoma
canman1971 wrote:Are you freaking kidding me? Showcase? How about this? Every time Scal steps into a game situation, his value goes down. The only thing valuable for him is his contract, in the final year, with only seconds left before the deadline so the acquiring team would pay the absolute least amount of his salary. If they are going to showcase him for anything, it should be for a Dunkin Donuts commercial.


A bit mean, but very, very funny.

Re: Will Celtics showcase Scalabrine next season?

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:11 am
by Bad-Thoma
bonsaiflipflops wrote:Look, I'm not a fan of Scalabrine either. But, he's not a stiff. He has some skills that are a positive on the Celtics. For one thing, he understands defensive assignments and shifts better than players like Powe and Davis. He isn't a dummy. Some players in the league have loads of talent and aren't as bright as you could hope for them to be. In other words, their NBA IQ, as they say, is quite low. Yeah, they know how to listen but sometimes when on the court you've to think for yourself and make a head's up play or what have you. These players think too much and aren't reacting. Scalabrine seems to know where to be and such. It's just that his talent is nowhere on the level of most of his teammates. So, he sticks out.

Again, play him ten (his average this season) to fifteen minutes a game or trade him when the chance presents itself next season.


Captain Understatement award goes too.... BONZAI!!!

Re: Will Celtics showcase Scalabrine next season?

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:25 am
by campybatman
Yeah, but that still doesn't mean people can refer to him as Scalabum. That's mean as well. Hey, I believe he's stealing money too. But, you can prevent him from just "stealing" if he's playing some.

Re: Will Celtics showcase Scalabrine next season?

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:28 am
by ryaningf
I wonder why we choose to perpetuate the myth of Scalabrine's supposed BB IQ. If he had a BB IQ, he wouldn't continually over-estimate his own ability, trying to do things he has no business doing, like dribbling or driving and dishing. If he had a BB IQ, he might actually work to improve his game or his body; instead, his nickname is man boobs and he still can't shoot consistently well (career 38% shooter), even after 7 seasons in the league. If he had a BB IQ, he'd know that rebounding is a product of effort and he'd consequently put forth the effort to become at least a decent rebounder. But he's a terrible rebounder. And to top it off, Scal has about the worst PER in the league (at least at his position...guys like Orien Greene actually have negative PER rankings...I'm not even sure how that's possible). The only thing he's got going for him is his brain-type, which is the same as Larry Bird's--that and Jason Kidd is why he ever got the contract he did.

About the only thing he can bring to this team is decent team defense. He does know where to be on the court, and he can be a pest to certain players, like Chris Bosh for example. But that's all. And it's not enough. The Brian Scalabrine era cannot end any sooner for me.

Re: Will Celtics showcase Scalabrine next season?

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:29 am
by Bad-Thoma
bonsaiflipflops wrote:Yeah, but that still doesn't mean people can refer to him as Scalabum. That's mean as well. Hey, I believe he's stealing money too. But, you can prevent him from just "stealing" if he's playing some.


Like I said before, i don't even dislike him, and for an end of the bench guy he can bring some things to the defense. I even think his 3 pointer has to be respected enough to have to cover him. But he's not going to be trade bait, even if they cover him in honey and play him 35 minutes a game.

Re: Will Celtics showcase Scalabrine next season?

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:57 am
by ParticleMan
well last year Scal averaged 11 mins, and actually started 9 games. I think that's about right, and it's about what to expect this year. poor guy can't help it if he has manboobs, apparently he's a weight room rat, that's just his body type.

Re: Will Celtics showcase Scalabrine next season?

Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:24 am
by campybatman
It's amazing how fans see him as overweight when I thought this season people were saying he looks as if he'd lost weight. Which is it? Because the only Celtic who would scare me at the dinner table is Davis.