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A league source said Boston and Miami have approached the Cavs regarding sign-and-trades. The source said they were turned down by the Cavs.

Link: http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/ ... te_fairly/

This was probably before the House and Allen signings but still interesting if it is true.

Yeah, interesting. But your right it had to be before the TA and house signings.

I don't see why we wouldn't be interested even after re-signing House and Allen. He is a clear upgrade over Eddie House as a back up PG and i'm sure both Danny Ainge and Doc Rivers know this.

I puked a little in my mouth.. this would be as bad as the Pistons getting Kwame Brown.

LucerneStDoggz wrote:I puked a little in my mouth.. this would be as bad as the Pistons getting Kwame Brown.

huh, delonte really got some haters here.
West clearly showed in the playoffs that he has a use on a team like Celtics. He'll never be a star, but he'll have a long career. Hope he doesn't get snatched to Euroleague.

^^^ D. West hasn't shown a whole lot against anyone BESIDES the Celtics. Signing him would be like the old Randy Brown signing of the Pitino era.

Pete

Actually, Eddie House is better than Delonte right now as a BACKUP POINT GUARD, and that's all Delonte will ever be.

The thing is: Rajon's only going to keep getting better and better, playing more and more. We really don't have a huge need at backup point. Eddie's pretty good there right now. In comparison to Delonte, he's a better shooter and takes his shots when they present themselves, and moves the ball quickly when they don't. He also has an ability to initiate the offense quickly, something Delonte has never been really good at. And they're both suspect dribblers. For what this team needs, Eddie is better right now. That's not to say Delonte won't overcome him in a couple years, if he can learn to play his role better, initiating the offense instead of dribbling the crap out of the basketball as he attempts to 'create.' His shot is still erratic as well; and the ball often stops too long in his hands. Eddie is just better now, for the minutes and role he'll play in the next 2 years.

On top of that, Gabe Pruitt could turn out to be a bigger, stronger, quicker, better dribbling of Delonte West if given the playing time.

And even though Delonte can swing over to the 2 from time to time, TA or Giddens are better players right now. They can guard their positions and get to the rim, two things Delonte still struggles with at the 2 spot.

I think this might happen. I think West might want to come back to Boston as well. Should be interesting to see what ends up happening.

Delonte West is easily better then Eddie House at everything other then being a catch and shoot guy. He is a better ball handler, passer, defender, rebounder, etc he was simply not good enough and will never be good enough to be what the Celtics needed him to be a couple years ago when the team quite frankly sucked.

He would be perfectly fine as a back up combo guard on this team as it is currently built and its a pipedream to think that Gabe Pruitt will be better then him as anything other then a shooter.

I agree, Delonte would have been way better than Eddie. I like Eddie, but Delonte can actually drive to the basket every so often, has the length to play good D, is a better ballhandler, and is one tough mofo.

I don't get the Delonte hate. I always liked the guy, he's just not a quality starting PG in the NBA. But as a backup PG/occasional SG?? Sign me up!

The trouble is I don't think Delonte would have taken 2 yrs, 5mil like Eddie did. So I'm not upset. But given the choice, give me Delonte anyday.

JMillott,

Where's he's gonna play? House knows his role and doesn't muck up the offense trying to be a traditional point guard. He knows his limitations. DWest is still unaware of his. And TA/Giddens are vastly better players at the 2. If he came here, he wouldn't play or Doc would take all year determining his rotations, both unacceptable outcomes in my opinion. If we didn't have Eddie, then yes, he'd fit on this team. But for what we need next season, Eddie fills the bill much better, and we didn't have to extend ourselves financially for a reserve combo guard.

And don't sleep on Gabe Pruitt. Think of him as this year's higher first round pick. He's younger than Giddens, has better athleticism than West, and he's bigger, stronger, faster: in other words, he's a legit combo guard, he can shoot like a shooting guard, and dribble like a point guard--something Delonte might not ever be able to do. He knows his limitations as well. And he's cheaper.

Delonte West is easily better then Eddie House at everything other then being a catch and shoot guy. He is a better ball handler, passer, defender, rebounder, etc he was simply not good enough and will never be good enough to be what the Celtics needed him to be a couple years ago when the team quite frankly sucked.

Uh huh. D. West pounds the ball at the top of the key and saves his best shooting for "garbage' time. We escaped signing the unselfish Eddie House who actually excels at what he is paid to do - shoot the ball.

The same people that love D. West favour BBD over Powe because BBD is a better "passer." Who the hell cares. PF are PAID to rebound. They are PAID to finish around the hoop. Those extra things don't matter when your mediocre at what your PAID to do. Delonte West shot .356 from 3 last year. Eddie House shot .393. That's a significant difference at something that matters.

Not only that but Eddie House understands he isn't an uber PG. He doesn't fiddle and dribble ruining 10 seconds of each posession. If D. West is so great maybe the Cavs will sign him. I wouldn't count on it though. Playing within yourself is a critical part of being a roleplayer.

Delonte West THINKS he is a super stud - wants to get paid for it but the Cavs and rest of the league don't agree. if he would just shut up and hit his J's he would have been signed instead of "Boobie" Gibson.

As for the C's we have a PG - his name is Rajon Rondo. We don't need the leader of the dark year to return.

Pete

ryaningf wrote:......

Dude....that is an awesome avatar.

Where did you get it from?

GuyClinch wrote:

Delonte West is easily better then Eddie House at everything other then being a catch and shoot guy. He is a better ball handler, passer, defender, rebounder, etc he was simply not good enough and will never be good enough to be what the Celtics needed him to be a couple years ago when the team quite frankly sucked.

Uh huh. D. West pounds the ball at the top of the key and saves his best shooting for "garbage' time. We escaped signing the unselfish Eddie House who actually excels at what he is paid to do - shoot the ball.

The same people that love D. West favour BBD over Powe because BBD is a better "passer." Who the hell cares. PF are PAID to rebound. They are PAID to finish around the hoop. Those extra things don't matter when your mediocre at what your PAID to do. Delonte West shot .356 from 3 last year. Eddie House shot .393. That's a significant difference at something that matters.

Not only that but Eddie House understands he isn't an uber PG. He doesn't fiddle and dribble ruining 10 seconds of each posession. If D. West is so great maybe the Cavs will sign him. I wouldn't count on it though. Playing within yourself is a critical part of being a roleplayer.

Delonte West THINKS he is a super stud - wants to get paid for it but the Cavs and rest of the league don't agree. if he would just shut up and hit his J's he would have been signed instead of "Boobie" Gibson.

As for the C's we have a PG - his name is Rajon Rondo. We don't need the leader of the dark year to return.

Pete

He's not coming here anyway so this thread is pretty irrelevant, but Delonte West right now is better than every guard on our roster not named Rajon or Ray. He can bring it up, shoot, defend, hustle, and is a decent playmaker. Rondo is obviously better but you still couldnt make the same statement about him (shooting). Whoever said Giddens is better than West right now needs to stop funneling the green kool-aid.

I like House a lot and think he is the better option due to price tag, but you guys are kidding yourselves if you dont think Dwest is an all around better player than House. If west was on this team you could argue that he is our best player off the bench.

West is scrappy and even gets blocks for a PG, yeah that may not be 'what you pay a PG to do' but stopping two points counts the same in the box score if you are 7' or 6'.

I also like Powe better than BBD, but again your hate for him is unjustified. You pay a PF to score down low...blah blah blah...if he gets an assist with his good passing does that not still equal 2 points for the C's? Give Baby some time, he had a jumper in college and his inside game will come along if defenses have to respect him further away from the hoop.

Thats what makes someone an all around player, having useful basketball skills that others at your position may not have.

-Dizzy

Can't say I'm surprised. Both Delonte and Ryan were very well liked by Danny and Doc. There's a reason why Ainge drafted them and why they played a lot for the Celtics up until this year. So to hear that both of them were at least looked at by the FO shouldn't be a shock, especially since backup SF/PF and a combo guard were/are two areas of concern going into the offseason.

I like Delonte a lot, and think if he ever got a consistent place to play as a 6th man (aka Bobby Jackson role), he'd thrive. He's not a whole lot different from Derek Fisher, a guy who has made a long, successful, and wealthy career. So long as he stays healthy, can shoot, and can dribble adequately, he will keep a role in the NBA. Not as a starter for a good team, but definitely as a key role player for a playoff squad.

Celtic Esquire wrote:

ryaningf wrote:......

Dude....that is an awesome avatar.

Where did you get it from?

Thanks, man. Here's the source: http://www.fileden.com/files/2008/3/27/1839314/lmao.gif

Enjoy!

What do you think we offered? S&T Tony? Scal, Baby and rights to Walker?

GuyClinch wrote:The same people that love D. West favour BBD over Powe because BBD is a better "passer." Who the hell cares. PF are PAID to rebound. They are PAID to finish around the hoop. Those extra things don't matter when your mediocre at what your PAID to do. Delonte West shot .356 from 3 last year. Eddie House shot .393. That's a significant difference at something that matters.

Not only that but Eddie House understands he isn't an uber PG. He doesn't fiddle and dribble ruining 10 seconds of each posession. If D. West is so great maybe the Cavs will sign him. I wouldn't count on it though. Playing within yourself is a critical part of being a roleplayer.

How the hell do you form an argument based on establishing roles without factoring in the presence of The Big Three? I'm wondering if you actually didn't think of it or if you went the political route and just conveniently failed to mention it. You put Eddie House on the Grizz and see if the people of Memphis praise his ability to be a key role player or just deem him a 3-pt specialist. You cant just skip over the makeup of a team like that. It effects stats as well so there goes the rest of your argument.

And BTW I'm an unabashed Delonte fanboy and I would take Powe over BBD every single time, so it looks like you even failed in your attempt at a wisecrack. Way to go Pete! (also throwing in a "u" after an "o" doesnt make you look classy. Might wanna retire that...)

IMO, the best argument against Delonte is the possibilty that Gabe Pruitt breaks out and becomes the superior player, but that's all guesswork at this point. That said, I dont see us landing Delonte unfortunately.

If Delonte West were to end up here which i'm fairly certin he will not, anybody who honestly thinks that Eddie House or Gabe Pruitt would actually manage to beat him out for the back up PG job is kidding themselves.

I believe somebody even tried to blow enough smoke as to say we should consider Gabe Pruitt a stronger version of Delonte West? Gabe Pruitt has no physical strength and the reason he didn't see the court last year is because he couldn't defend Eddie House off the dribble in practice.

We should view him as the higher 1st round pick we didn't have this year? Are you high, seriously we should view him as the young project who we drafted in the second round last year with the sweet stroke who is tall enough and has a high enough release point to get his jumper off in a heartbeat if teams don't jump out on him on picks.

The guy has some upside as an offensive player, but I don't see how somebody could view him as the higher 1st round pick we didn't have this year. You can say that next year about a Bill Walker if we stash him over in Europe for a year before bringing him in here but Gabe Pruitt.....

Sorry to all the haters, but TA and Eddie House are not better than Delonte West. he has none of their weaknesses and most of their strengths.

We probably offered something like Scal, TA, and a 2nd rounder.