Does anyone else not want to see Ray Allen traded?

[Celtsfan1980]

Obviously there has been a lot of talk of trading Ray Allen after next season and possibly even this season. I'm not sure how many would agree, but I'd prefer to see them keep him. Allen would sign a contract for maybe $13 million for the last two seasons while Pierce would sign a similar contract for his last season. It would put them in good salary cap position. They'll play the remainder of the 4 years of Garnett's contract and then retire together. Tony Allen would get part time minutes at the 3 position and many minutes at the 2. He was very productive last season when he was given minutes, so I don't think it would hurt the team much at all. The one problem would be that neither Rondo nor Tony Allen are great outside shooters, but ideally you'd be giving Allen a lot of his minutes with the reserve unit so it would not be a big problem. They could rebuild afterwards. The Celtics become good and NBA ratings improve, so hopefully the NBA will realize what the Celtics can do and the draft lottery will go Boston's way. You'd also have the possibility of free agency, and I'm pretty sure both Oden and Howard will be free agents in 2012. You bring in one star free agent in 2012 and one in 2013 along with good drafting, and they should be in good shape.

The question I have is what trades do you think are realistic for Ray Allen and the other expiring contracts? Looking at the salaries, there are only a few options that I'd look at. My feeling is that Gallinari could be very, very good in the future, so I'd be intrigued seeing him in a Celtics uniform. The Knicks are a divisional opponent(and a possible rival if Lebron does join), so I don't think a trade would be realistic. There have been reports that there is interest in Zach Randolph. If a team is dumb enough to trade for him, the Knicks would be in good shape for Lebron and another good free agent that year. I don't see the Knicks as having the veterans that could help out anyways, so I don't think it would be a good trade. The other option would be a Bulls combination of Deng and Gordon or Gordon and Noah. With Gordon likely not signing with Chicago and the Celtics lacking the post presense that Chicago would(or at least should) be looking for, I don't see a trade that would happen. The best option would be a 3-team trade, and I can't see one that intrigues me at this moment.

[BakersDozen]

Ray Allen in my mind was just as good as Pierce (if not better) in the finals. Of course I want him to stick around. Im not sure what kind of money Ray is expecting after his current deal runs out but as long as doesnt interfere with Danny re loading in free agency I'd love to see Ray retire as a Celtic.

[Celtsfan1980]

Ray Allen in my mind was just as good as Pierce (if not better) in the finals. Of course I want him to stick around. Im not sure what kind of money Ray is expecting after his current deal runs out but as long as doesnt interfere with Danny re loading in free agency I'd love to see Ray retire as a Celtic.

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one. I hear a lot of talk about trades, but nobody has given a realistic scenario. There's really only 5-7 teams that would be looking at free agency when Lebron and Wade become free agents, and two of them are in Boston's division. You don't just trade for the sake of trading, but you have to get a good deal. You'd have to acquire veterans that could help, younger players with potential, and look at getting several million in expiring contracts along with it. It's much easier said than done.

[bruno sundov]

I used to think this also, that he should be traded. Think of when he was on in the playoffs how it jsut opened the whole floor for everyone. Including paul pierce,KG and rondo.

[Rocky5000]

I don't want him traded. I hope he retires with the Celtics. BUT - I don't want him staying if he's going to be wanting around a 20 million a year salary, because that will only hurt the team into the future. Reggie Miller made the most money of his career when he was 35,36, and 37, so I'm not so sure we can bank on Ray taking a paycut at the age of 34.
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It all depends on how long Ray sees himself playing. He probably wants to play for at least 4 more years and would be looking for a sweetheart deal to exit with. I think your suggestion of 13 million would likely be fine, but ideally we'd want him to play for even less.

It's no guarantee that KG retires when his deal ends either. He's played over 70 games each year he's been in the league (besides the lockout year) and hasn't really slowed down all that much.

[ParticleMan]

Who exactly wants to see Ray Allen traded?

Ray is a big reason why we won a championship. Gives his fitness fanatic routine, I expect him to play at a high level for at least 4 or 5 more years. I actually thought he got better as the season wore on last year, as he got more comfortable in his role. He hiccuped in the Cleveland series, but he was a big part of the Detroit and LA series wins.

[tombattor]

There is no reason to trade Ray if our goal is to win a championship. Yes, he's heading towards the end of his career, but if we limit his and the rest of the BIg3's minutes during the regular season, we'll have a great chance at winning a few more titles before it's all done.

[mrautobahn]

Who exactly wants to see Ray Allen traded?

That's right... it's not happening...

And it sounds like either somebody is really bored or is still carrying on with Ray's ineffectiveness in the Detroit series...

And completely ignore what Ray did in the Championship series...

Nuts!

My prediction is that Ray will get more comfortable with his role as a long range sniper and #2 go-to guy and have a career season...

[greenbeans]

My wanting to see him traded all depends on what we'd get back.
If we're getting a young stud with 5-10 quality years left that, imo, outweighs having an aging(albeit still effective) Ray on the squad.
If we're getting a "potential" pu-pu platter I'm all set. proven stars win in this league evidenced by last year. I'm torn on this one

[Egregious Blunder]

we would need a lotto pick and a decent role player for me to trade ray.

[Collinto]

I hate these threads. The last couple of posters will probably agree with me...

What are you trading him for?

Just to blindly say, "Ain't trading him" is ignorant. I can't remember anyone suggesting giving him away (well maybe after Round 1 and 2 of the playoffs)...but he may have an attractive contract next summer and he's not a bum. Period.

What if Dwight Howard gets pissed in Orlando? What if the Suns decide to move Amare Stoudemire to clear salary? What if Dwayne Wade wants out of Miami after another terrible season? What if Chris Bosh wants out of Canada? What if...What if...What if? Let it play out.

You may say it would never happen, but Shaq got himself traded...twice. Kobe tried to get himself traded. Gasol got traded for nothing. Who knows how it plays out.

The thought pattern has to be that Boston is a destination now. If a big name wants out...we maybe able to step in and recruit him.

I think it really matters how guys like Powe, Large Infant, Giddens, Walker, Pruit, Perkins develop...since we won't have lottery picks to throw out with Ray.

[Bad-Thoma]

Yeah, it's funny how many times Rays been mentioned in people's trade scenarios. I think he's got plenty in the tank, he keeps himself in great shape and is a shooter, he really doesn't take a lot of contact (except when that bitch Odom tackled him out of bounds). How many players are there in the entire league that have to be repected more on the perimeter than Shuttlesworth? He's too accurate and he gets his shot off too quickly. His shooting in the finals was an integral part of this team winning a championship. Obviously any GM has to keep an open mind with the roster in case Chris Wallace calls with a trade possibility, but I don't see Ray going anywhere.

[Dave_From_NB]

I really like Ray, I totally respect his professionalism, and his contribution to the championship.

Now, if the Celtics repeat and are going for a 3-peat, no way do you screw with things. Ray stays, contract expires, and look at a new contract with the mind of him sliding into a backup role as he continues to age. There is no reason to think this won't happen.

However, if the Celtics don't repeat this year, other than sentimentality why would we retain an expiring contract, for an older player, on a team not good enough to win? Retooling needs to happen immediately upon it becoming apparent that the Celtics aren't going to continue to win with the current Big 3.

Pierce deserves to retire a Celtic, long time players like him are rare, and I'd love to see him finish his career here. KG will retire one of the greatest of all time, I hope to see a 45 year old KG sitting at the end of the bench as a Celtic waving towels and barking at opposition players.

No I don't WANT to see Ray traded. I want to see the Celtics 3-peat with Ray. In fact, 6-peat would be even better, and he can retire off a Celtic. But at the point that it becomes apparent we're no longer good enough to win the championship, the re-tooling needs to happen, and personally Ray is the only one of the Big 3 I'm comfortable seeing move.

[GreenGrizz]

I am sure the Lakers won't miss him if we ever trade him.

[GregB]

I don't want to just get rid of Ray Allen. I hope he can help lead us to another championship this year.

But Here is my analysis on the situation. We won't have enough money to make a major move in FA if we plan on keeping Powe around. The only way we will be able to make a splash will be by using Ray Allen next offseason. We certainly shouldnt give him away. But If we can gain near equal value and get younger. You really cant fault that move.

[buckner1976]

I don't want to just get rid of Ray Allen. I hope he can help lead us to another championship this year.

But Here is my analysis on the situation. We won't have enough money to make a major move in FA if we plan on keeping Powe around. The only way we will be able to make a splash will be by using Ray Allen next offseason. We certainly shouldnt give him away. But If we can gain near equal value and get younger. You really cant fault that move.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe we'll have Powe's Bird Rights because he signed a 3 yr deal out of college. Then again assuming we plan to re-up Rondo as well this is all a moot point as we'll still be over the cap in terms of salary. We'll have the MLE to play with regardless of whether or not Powe resigns. The question will be is there anyone out there available capable of fitting into the team and giving us more than Ray. Of that I'm not so sure.

[celticfan42487]

Aging superstar that was clearly a step below Pierce and KG last year who also got outplayed on both sides of the floor by not just Joe Johnson but Wally Z... WALLLLLLLYYYYY.

I'm glad he grew some nutz and played well against his known rivals [Rip and Kobe].

But it's not hard to see why people think it wouldn't be that bad of an idea to trade him if there were a favorable deal out there.

With Pierce and KG there is no way we are going to have capspace on this team [Rondo and others will shortly follow].

[Celtsfan1980]

I don't want him traded. I hope he retires with the Celtics. BUT - I don't want him staying if he's going to be wanting around a 20 million a year salary, because that will only hurt the team into the future. Reggie Miller made the most money of his career when he was 35,36, and 37, so I'm not so sure we can bank on Ray taking a paycut at the age of 34.
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It all depends on how long Ray sees himself playing. He probably wants to play for at least 4 more years and would be looking for a sweetheart deal to exit with. I think your suggestion of 13 million would likely be fine, but ideally we'd want him to play for even less.

He may want $20 million per year, but he won't get it at that point in his career. Most teams that are under the cap are not contenders. You'd assume he'd want to go on a team that is capable of contending and I don't see him taking the MLE. Portland could be an option, but he did say he has family and friends near the Boston area and he is familiar with the team so it would make sense for him to stay a Celtic. I couldn't imagine Portland offering him much more than $13 million. Both Rondo and Perkins will likely be getting pay raises by the fifth season, so you'd still be rewarding him while reducing it enough that the salary wouldn't be too high. If Boston does not trade him, Allen will very likely be a Celtic the remainder of his career.

[hiphop1]

See expiring contracts are worth more than capspace. If they all retire together we will have no shot in hell of getting a good player to come here, i.e. the 90's.

[Hemingway]

1. Like many have said we dont WANT to trade Allen, but I think we want to keep PP and KG, so Allen is the only big contract we have to move. We will never be under the cap enough to sign a free agent. Sing and trades seem to be the way to go or trades for expirings.

2. We have to see what we can get for Allen. I trust Danny will make the right move. Or no move if a good one is not found.

3. At what point is Allen no better then a MLE ring chasing vet we could bring in? If we traded him for a player not fully ready to contribute next season; we could probably get a 2 guard with our MLE.

I guess I don't WANT to trade him but I do WANT to shop him and i do WANT to take any good deals. We will need to retool.