Croshere?

[Golabki]

Croshere just got waived. I'd like to replace Scal or Cassell with him. Croshere isn't real good, but he can still rebound reasonably and shoot the 3.

[sunshinekids99]

I'd prefer AC over Veal, but we both know it's just not going to happen. The C's will not buyout Veal.

[Bad-Thoma]

Big Ol Meh! On Croshere, lateral move at best.

[Ed Pinkney]

At this stage of his career, Croshere is the same player as Scal excpet slightly less muffin like and without red hair.

[C-West]

I have a serious soft spot for Croshere, and here's why . . .

Austin's mother is a Neonatal Intensive Care Unit (NICU) nurse at the UCLA Santa Monica Hospital birthing center - those of you with kids will know what that means. My son was born there, 6 weeks premature. Austin's mom was in the room, helping my boy (and us) get through some tough times. We spent 2 weeks in NICU with those fabulous people and all is well. Austin's mom was clutch, money, whatever you want to call it. THANK YOU!

Austin also has a more consistent 20 foot elbow jumper than Scal, but that is the last thing on my mind right now.

[bruno sundov]

C west , that is pretty cool.



We already have the token white guy in Vealchop. AC game isn't much better. It might have been for a 2.5 month period at one point but he isn't now.

[MyInsatiableOne]

C west , that is pretty cool.



We already have the token white guy in Vealchop. AC game isn't much better. It might have been for a 2.5 month period at one point but he isn't now.

???? Just the conditioning alone, he obliterates Scal...he can also shoot better and rebound better. I'd take AC over Scal in an instant.

[DelMonte West]

I haven't really followed the Pacers, but I remember a few years ago he was definitely a productive player when he was out on the floor. Tough, active, aggressive...kind of like a Perkins for his position. I don't see us getting him but he's certainly a better player than Scal, unless his game has plummetted recently.

[sully00]

As a PC alum I certainly have seen plenty of Croshere even went to school with him. He is a good forward and light years better than Scal except he isn't much of a defender. I think that we have offense and rebounding at that position with Powe and Baby. The need is going to be for a defender and while Scal's D is overrated to the extent that is the only thing that he does at a NBA level he is better than Croshere whose lack of quickness has caused him to struggle for mins in the NBA even though he is an established scorer and rebounder.

I would say I ordinarily would champion waiving Scal for just about any solid NBA vet on the minimum but even though I really like Croshere I can't see this happening.

[Dave_From_NB]

I'm not sure there is a lot of value in making moves to replace the 14'th or 15'th guys on the roster. This is a similar situation as Miles, unless he's good enough to be part of the regular rotation, there is little point in picking him up at this time.

Should injuries dictate it, we have the future ability to make a move and pick up one of the approximately 60 players (my w.a. guess) who have been waived in the past 2 weeks, but based on positional need.

[sully00]

I just went and looked at his numbers and damn forget Scal Croshere is a lot better than a healthy Miles. He is a career bench player with a PER over 14 and isn't quite as bad defensively as I thought probably as good as Scal and better than Miles. It doesn't make a ton of sense why he couldn't get more mins in GS last season and that is a concern, looking at IND's situation he makes no sense for them as they are team full of 6'9" inch tweeners.

Whether it is 10 or 20 mins a game I would much rather go to Croshere than Scal. He has also shown the ability to step in sort of carry the load offensively and on the glass for a stretch of games even in the postseason if there is an injury. If he is healthy I would waive Scal for him but it isn't my money.

[Dave_From_NB]

I just went and looked at his numbers and damn forget Scal Croshere is a lot better than a healthy Miles. He is a career bench player with a PER over 14 and isn't quite as bad defensively as I thought probably as good as Scal and better than Miles. It doesn't make a ton of sense why he couldn't get more mins in GS last season and that is a concern, looking at IND's situation he makes no sense for them as they are team full of 6'9" inch tweeners.

Whether it is 10 or 20 mins a game I would much rather go to Croshere than Scal. He has also shown the ability to step in sort of carry the load offensively and on the glass for a stretch of games even in the postseason if there is an injury. If he is healthy I would waive Scal for him but it isn't my money.

Given our depth at the bigs is KG, Perk, Powe, POB, Davis, Scal, do you think Croshere is good enough to be anything better than an upgrade on our 6'th best Big, who might actually not dress for a lot of games? If Croshere is good enough to be in our top 5 bigs, who among Powe, POB, Davis would you propose sit so Croshere could dress?

I'm assuming if we picked Croshere up, it would be on a vet minimum contract. The value in Scal is contract value should we need to trade for someone other than a vet minimum guy for an injury replacement. Unless Croshere is good enough to replace one of the top 5 bigs, we'd lose the value of Scals contract in a trade and would possibly just be releasing Croshere if injury replacement requirement was for something Croshere couldn't fill - injury to Pierce or Rondo for example.

(for now, injuries may change the situation later) I'd just give Croshere a wave.

[sully00]

Scal has no value as a trade asset, he is negative value whether he has 2 years or 5 mins left. It would likely take a 1st round pick for someone to just eat the contract. So to trade him for anything you have to add the compensation to that even then it will take two roster spots to do it.

Agreed that if Austin is only a 15th man there is no point and miracles do happen. But Croshere does have the ability to play the 3 even if really only offensively and we don't have another SF besides Walker to play behind Pierce.

Now I really like Walker but I have a hard time buying that he is more NBA ready than Gomes or Powe who Doc wouldn't play out of the box on a lottery team never mind a NBA champ. Now Powe could possibly play some 3 but after that 6'4" Tony Allen or the venerable Veal are lining up at the 3 spot. If that is the case then I would cut Scal and sign Croshere. This team was interested in Matt Barnes so they know it is a need. While not the same defender Croshere is a better offensive player and rebounder than Posey.

In the end I can pretty much convince myself that we should cut Scal for just about anyone who can play at all.

[canman1971]

In the end I can pretty much convince myself that we should cut Scal for just about anyone who can play at all.

I cut Scal just for the roster spot. I could care less if they left it open all year. What exactly would be the difference?

[JMillott]

I say keep Scales if he gets a couple more rings here as the token white stiff on the bench it doesn't hurt my feelings any. He also does know our system and can continue to be used by Doc Rivers as an example of just how important knowing the system and defensive rotations is to this team that we're willing to play Scales over them if they don't play for team success over stats.

He also gives us an extra PF for our team in practice so we don't work KG to hard/often in the process of developing our young guys. I would think even more so than in games that we'd like to rest KG in terms of mileage to extend his career while still being able to practice enough for Ainge and Doc to continue molding young talent here.

The big three and their big contracts and Rondo's future contract will continue to force this team to find young cheap 2nd rounders and raw players like Patrick O'bryant and develop them to play limited but effective roles on the cheap.

As others have pointed out getting rid of Scales would require sending out either a young asset like a Powe, Pruitt, Walker, Giddens or a draft pick which is clearly worth more in the hands of Ainge then a low 1st round pick or 2nd rounder has in trade value.

[GuyClinch]

As others have pointed out getting rid of Scales would require sending out either a young asset like a Powe, Pruitt, Walker, Giddens or a draft pick which is clearly worth more in the hands of Ainge then a low 1st round pick or 2nd rounder has in trade value.

No. The team could just buy him out. It would be expensive but as it's not OUR money it's what the posters here are advocating. Besides that your reasons for keeping him are pretty weak sauce.

The reason why we are keeping him is the upgrade in talent compared to the money lost is pretty small. <g> That's it. The C's don't need a token white guy or a practice dummy.