McDyess And Nuggets Reach Agreement On Buyout!

hiphop1 · Post #1 » by **hiphop1** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 1:58 pm

His agent Miller has stated that 19 teams have inquired about his client, and He has not ruled out a return to the Pistons! It's on the wiretap.

Post #2 » by **canman1971** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 2:13 pm

Well, it should be interesting. If McDyess wants money, we won't get him, but if he wants a shot at the title, he comes here. Ainge, KG, Doc, PP, Allen all have a convincing way about them. How close was he to signing here before he chose Detroit? Anyone know if it was a close decision? He tried Detroit, and didn't get a ring, so maybe he tries Boston.

Red2 · Post #3 » by **Red2** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 2:18 pm

with AI in Detroit why wouldn't he think that Detroit is the place to win a championship? plus he knows the guys there, the system etc not to mention that he wants revenge against the celtics. IN our favor is the fact that he played for Danny before but I don't think that will overcome all the other factors. Plus if he goes back to detroit he gets a 30 day vacation which isn't bad either. I just don't see how he comes to Boston and I think his agent is using Boston ( and other team's) interest to drive up the price. Denver is stupid for letting him go. that makes no sense to me. I wonder if this is one of those wink wink deals with Denver sort of like when we traded GP and got him back. Speaking of GP he sure seems to dislike the Celts now. I haven't heard him say one good thing about our team. I think he is an ass.

Joebiscuit · Post #4 » by **Joebiscuit** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 2:30 pm

canman1971 wrote:Well, it should be interesting. If McDyess wants money, we won't get him, but if he wants a shot at the title, he comes here. Ainge, KG, Doc, PP, Allen all have a convincing way about them. How close was he to signing here before he chose Detroit? Anyone know if it was a close decision? He tried Detroit, and didn't get a ring, so maybe he tries Boston.

I do not think it was really close. He signed with Detroit right after they won the championship. The Celtics on the other had were still in the process of rebuilding in 04/05. I still think he is just going to resign with Detroit in 30 days. No loss because Powe is better than McDyess at this point anyway.

Post #5 » by **canman1971** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 2:32 pm

Detroit will not win a title with Iverson. I feel, as many do, that Detroit got worse in this deal. Iverson cannot play defense. If your best player is a small scoring 2 guard, with no D, you have an uphill battle to win. Smart money says he goes back to Detroit, but you never know. Maybe he is mad they traded him in the first place or maybe it was a wink-wink deal. That is what makes it interesting; we shall see soon enough.

In addition, I can't see his agent using it as leverage. All the teams only have a little money to offer, so I don't see a long term deal here. He should be a FA after the season.

Joebiscuit · Post #6 » by **Joebiscuit** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 2:44 pm

I have to disagree about AI and Detroit. AI is still a top 15 player in the NBA. He is really one of the few players scare me because he is really tough to cover and gets to the line all the time. Yes AI does not play great defense but he gives the Pistons a scorer. I still think this trade makes Detroit the team to beat in the east.

Anyway, they probably is a wink wink deal. There is no reason to believe the McDyess cannot win a championship with Detroit if he goes back there.

humblebum · Post #7 » by **humblebum** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 3:08 pm

"The team to beat?" Really, Joebiscuit?

I agree that McDyess is most likely going back to Detroit it just looks too much like one of the run of the mill wink wink deals that happen in the NBA. I'm fine with it as long as he doesn't go to Cleveland because he would really improve that team. The Celtics front court is much stronger than Detroit's as we witnessed last year, with or without McDyess.

But the idea that Detroit is now the team to beat is frankly ridiculous. Iverson really doesn't even fit Detroit's identity of years past. He's a chucker and anyone who says otherwise doesn't know the game of basketball. I find it hard to believe that AI the Floor General (lol) is going to be able to work Rip, Prince, and Sheed into the offense, never mind their other options. Sure they now have a better on the ball scorer for the fourth quarter but I don't think they'll be cohesive enough to get it done. Detroit is still the #3 team in playoffs if you ask me, with Boston and Cleveland sitting at #1 and #2.

Post #8 » by **Celtics_Champs** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 3:28 pm

Yeah, I don't think he will come here. But there will be a lot of talk about it.

My guess is he mulls it over, but in the end, waits 30 days, and re-ups with det.

LongTimeFan · Post #9 » by **LongTimeFan** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 3:29 pm

It's only two games, but Detroit beat Toronto without either Billups or Iversen and got hammered by NJ with Iversen. Maybe if he practised a bit he'd get the team thing figuired.

princeofpalace · Post #10 » by **princeofpalace** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 4:01 pm

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Iverson played a good game, there were some times when he held the ball a bit to long to take shots by himself but on the whole he was very good. Detroit lost that game because Devin Harris had a great game, he absolutely torched Stuckey and Afflalo- a primarily defensive player and Boone killed Maxiel/Hermann. I think Detroit will be missing Dice more in the next 30 days than they will miss Billups. Also, I fully expect Dice to return to Detroit, he loves the organization and the city, will likely see 20+ mins of action and has a better shot than of at a championship than he did with Billups at the helm.

AlCelticFan · Post #11 » by **AlCelticFan** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 4:45 pm

How did Iverson do defending against Harris?

BillessuR6 · Post #12 » by **BillessuR6** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 5:22 pm

AlCelticFan wrote:How did Iverson do defending against Harris?

Stuckey was on Harris...

MaxwellSmart · Post #13 » by **MaxwellSmart** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 5:25 pm

Of course he's going back to Detroit....ALL of these deals end up the same way---it's how teams get around the salary cap situation...They use a guy to make salaries work---Then the player ALWAYS re-signs....Payton, Brent Barry, etc......name me one time in the past few years that the "traded" player signs with a different team.

Havlicek17 · Post #14 » by **Havlicek17** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 5:42 pm

It was said that 19 teams have already expressed an interest in getting McDyess. Although he has said that he would like to return to the Pistons in 30 days, once the buyout happens, he and his agent are going to be contacted by a lot of people and will have no choice but to listen to alternatives. I think it's at least 50/50 that he leaves Detroit.

I'd love to see him join the Celts, but my gut tells me he will go somehwere else.

LongTimeFan · Post #15 » by **LongTimeFan** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 6:47 pm

6' 0" SG is a serious cost on defense. Is Iversen going to defend Ray? Or maybe Pierce?

McDyess might want to rethink the back to Detroit plan.

princeofpalace · Post #16 » by **princeofpalace** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 6:56 pm

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Hmm.. its a good thing AI is playing point on Detroit and only slides to the 2 guard when 6'5'' Stuckey comes into the game.

Post #17 » by **The Rebel** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 7:04 pm

thebirdman wrote:
AlCelticFan wrote:How did Iverson do defending against Harris?

Stuckey was on Harris...

Stuckey was moved to Harris after he had already put up 25 on AI, overall the Pistons had the exact same problem that Denver has the last 2 years, guards getting into the lane and doing as they pleased. The one constant is that AI was on both teams, so I would be hesitant to even think that they are on the same level as they were with Chauncey.

princeofpalace · Post #18 » by **princeofpalace** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 7:42 pm

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Sounds like someone didnt watch the game. Stuck was put onto Harris when he first entered the game in the 2nd quarter and remained on him every minute that they were both in the game together. Also Stuck was the one guarding him down the stretch in the 4th.

And when the Pistons needed stops in the second half, it was Stuckey who continually was getting burned by Devin Harris (career-high 38 points, with 22 of his 24 free throw attempts coming in a second half in which Detroit surrendered 64 points to one of the NBA's worst teams). All that time, Pistons coach Michael Curry refused to switch Iverson onto Harris -- even as Stuckey was committing five fourth-quarter fouls on Harris. "Stuckey's the point, and Harris is the point. What we do here in Detroit, you guard your position. And when he comes into the game, Allen slides to the 2. and if Devin Harris is outplaying you, you're going to have to get better. That's what you're going to have to do -- play your matchup'"

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campybatman · Post #19 » by **campybatman** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 8:15 pm

McDyess’ salary with the Pistons was $6.8 million this year and next for a grand total of $13.6 million, but his contract apparently included a 10% trade kicker, meaning had he agreed to play in Denver he would have made $14.96 million.

If my understanding is correct, the most the Pistons can offer this year is the bi-annual exception of $1.9 million, but between that and the $6 million he’ll receive from Denver, he can more than make up his original salary this year. As for next season, well, the Pistons will have more than enough cap space to accommodate him with — oh, I don’t know — let’s say a one-year, $6.8 million deal.

All of this is a long-winded way of saying that, should Dumars and Miller share a knowing wink and a nod, McDyess might be convinced to return on the assumption that he’ll eventually get back every penny he would have earned had he not been traded in the first place.

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O.Z.123 · Post #20 » by **O.Z.123** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 8:21 pm

LongTimeFan wrote:6' 0" SG is a serious cost on defense. Is Iversen going to defend Ray? Or maybe Pierce?

um.. or he can just defend rondo.. while hamilton and prince match up with Ray and Pierce... y'know, not to make too much sense here..

McDyess might want to rethink the back to Detroit plan.

nah, he'll be fine. Joining the lakers would probably be his best bet, but i understand that he might not want to be known as a ring chaser/team hopper. He is more than welcome back, especially if that means less kwame...

princeofpalace wrote:^
Iverson played a good game, there were some times when he held the ball a bit to long to take shots by himself but on the whole he was very good. Detroit lost that game because Devin Harris had a great game, he absolutely torched Stuckey and Afflalo- a primarily defensive player and Boone killed Maxiel/Hermann. I think Detroit will be missing Dice more in the next 30 days than they will miss Billups. Also, I fully expect Dice to return to Detroit, he loves the organization and the city, will likely see 20+ mins of action and has a better shot than of at a championship than he did with Billups at the helm.

I dont think that was the case. The times he did hold the ball for too long were when he opted NOT to shoot and instead looked to make the extra pass to a teammate. This was mentioned many times on our board, he was doing the whole "team concept to a fault" thing by not taking shots, trying not to step on anyone's toes. Thats cute and all but he has to understand that this is where Billups failed as a piston the last few years, he wasn't good at managing when he should be aggressive and when he should be running our offense (which was basically pounding the air out the ball on the perimeter until rip was ready to come off a screen).