Posey v Powe & TA

[LongTimeFan]

Posey's numbers:

http://www.82games.com/0809/0809NOH.HTM

His net PER -5.5 and his Roland Rating is a -5.7

Whereas Powe's & TA's numbers:

http://www.82games.com/0809/0809BOS.HTM

Powe's net PER is a +3.0 and his Roland Rating is +5.8
TA's net PER is +8.6 and his Roland Rating is a +5.4

It seems so far so good. I love Posey and what he did last year. But from what I've seen of out bench this year, it seems to me we're actually better. Maybe it is a statistical effect due to the big three's coasting to date.

It seems Posey is doing great out in New Orleans. Is this a win-win?

[vct33]

We'd be better with Posey. I understand the financial decision but we'd be better with him. TA has been better than I thought he could be but he's not Posey.

[ParticleMan]

Posey, for whatever reason, has always been terrible statistically. His stats are actually way better than they were last year (just by the numbers, or by PER or Roland), yet they are still bad.

I don't think he's a bad player, and certainly we'd be better off with him. But for 4 years at the MLE? Frankly I didn't even think he was worth 3 years at the MLE. He's not an MLE player, for all his hugs and defense and all that. His numbers simply don't back it up.

Not signing Posey means we have a much better chance at resigning Powe and possibly TA if he continues to improve. I'd much rather go that road than have 4 years of MLE money tied up in a guy who is a mediocre player.

[Jammer]

Get over it.

Posey would have provided size at back up small forward (vs. Ray or Tony),

and mobility with a 3 point shot at PF (pushing Powe to backup Center,
and Big Baby to the Bench).

Now, Scal gets the Kirilenko's and Nowitski's when KG's off the floor.

All in all, forget about it.

The differences from last year are more significant than Posey.

The starters last year put up 73 ppg, 29 rpg, and 17 apg.
They shot the lights out,
Perk was 61%,
KG 54%,
Rondo 49%,
Pierce 46% and 39% from 3;
Ray was 44% and 39.8% from 3.

The Celtic starters were nuking teams, and all the bench had to do was hang on.

This year, the team is scoring less, and shooting worse.
Hopefully, the shooting % (and thus scoring) will go back to their career norms.

Not only are the starters shooting worse, but House is down from 39% to a poor % from 3.
Hopefully House gets closer to his career average,
Scal seems to have bounced back more toward his career norm.

The team has sent out enough signals to say that they feel the biggest hole
is PJ Brown's role of long backup post defender. Davis won't cut it against the Lakers.
They know it.

And the team has pretty much admitted they need a bench scorer, too;
especially with Paul Pierce and Sam Cassell's quotes in the press
for the Knicks to set Stephon Marbury free.

So, it ain't Posey.

Last year, the team was 13 deep, with Pruitt on the Inactive List and Pollard Injured.

Now, it's 9 deep, with holes.

Pruitt hasn't proven that he is a reliable alternative to Eddie House.
No one has demonstrated they can back up SG after Tony Allen (last year Cassell could).
The Celtics get by at backup SF with either Ray, Tony or Brian.

There is no long post defender (yet) behind Perk.
Patrick O'Bryant will be miles ahead of Big Baby,
and maybe already,
but the 22 year old hasn't demonstrated strength on the block to push bigs around,
or being able to consistently get his spot on offense
(POB lets his defender push him out of position so POB takes shots from crappy angles).

But, get over it.

I fully expect the Celtics to be willing to retire Sam Cassell or trade Walker or Giddens for a pick
to make room for someone like Mutombo, and maybe even Marbury.

[mrautobahn]

Scal seems to have bounced back more toward his career norm.

Preach it brother... Scal is shooting an unreal .556 from downtown this season... and sure, he has only made 5 shots so far...

The team has sent out enough signals to say that they feel the biggest hole
is PJ Brown's role of long backup post defender. Davis won't cut it against the Lakers.
They know it.

I thought one of BBD's strengths is pushing the taller and longer guys out of the box because of his lower center of gravity... I thought he did very well against Tim Duncan and Rasheed Wallace.

[Jammer]

I thought one of BBD's strengths is pushing the taller and longer guys out of the box because of his lower center of gravity... I thought he did very well against Tim Duncan and Rasheed Wallace.

WIse words, sir.

However, depending on who you talk to, there seems to be disagreement

whether Tim Duncan had a bad game against the Celtics because

Glen Davis moved Duncan off his comfort spot OR

TIMMY just missed shots that he normally makes.

[Truthiracy]

Po$ey is garbage. Attention Celtics fans that still want him on the roster, always look at the amount of 3's he takes in the Hornets box scores. It makes me laugh and I've been glad he's gone ever since. He made Boston too much of a jump shooting team, I'd much rather have Tony Allen driving to the basket than the aging, mediocre, overpaid small forward from the .500 Hornets shooting 3's. Wasn't Posey supposed to make New Orleans better than the Lakers? Yeah..

[Rocky5000]

well if you look at the stats from last year, Powe and TA outplayed him then too, so not much has changed with regards to PER. I'd be more interested in knowing whether Posey has gotten worse and Powe and TA have gotten better.

[pballa]

Get over it.
.

could you make more posts like this so that in the following game we brutally murder teams.

[GuyClinch]

The only problem is Scalabrine fits the old "Posey" role. I personally think he is a far better player then Scalabrine - so the C's end up worse then they should.

Certianly TA was FAR too talented to ride the bench like he did last year but he is more of 1/2 then a 3/4 like Posey. They don't really compete for the same minutes.

[pERKiSaBEAST]

Do i miss Posey's clutch shots and all out effort ??

hell yea!!

But do I think we can be better without him ??

Hell yea !!!1


I think if Baby can do decent against duncan, yao, and a couple other big centers, he might be able to get the jobe done for a limited amount of time, but we do need another big to back up perk and kg, not sure about o'bryant...but we are still the best team in the NBA at this very moment, without changing a thing, but with one injury that could change everything, I would like to re-sign PJ Brown for the playoffs, sign towards the end of the season.

[BillessuR6]

We definitely need a backup SF. Scal can have an impact when he plays with the starters but when the whole second unit is on the floor we are in trouble...It is nice to see Tony playing well but he is too small to play the 3...We need a 3/4 backup...

[cisco]

From what I've seen so far early in the season is that Tony and Powe > Posey. If Tony becomes a consistent player (which he has been the past few games), and stay under control, then I'd be willing to say he's better than Posey. I think we still have a length problem. Tony can cover the same players Posey did, but they can still shoot over Tony. This is where Scal comes in , he can play defense and knock down the 3 when open.

[humblebum]

Players can shoot over TA? The only players on contending teams that would give me any worries in this regard are Hedo Turkoglu, Rashard Lewis, Marvin Williams, VladRad... Players like Lebron and Joe Johnson, the Celtics actually want them to shoot long twos and threes as long as they're contested. Tony does a great job of contesting. But before he does that he makes it difficult for the player to catch the ball. And once the player gets the ball he's possibly the best at keeping the offensive player in front of him. Frankly if Tony was playing 30+ minutes a game he would be up for DPOY, he's that talented defensively.

I do agree that in some circumstances, the players I mentioned, Scal can play a useful role.