Which PGs would you rather have?

[Cyclical]

Take into consideration Rondo's young age and upside, defensive ability and fit into the team's philosophy, superb quickness, ball handling and growing confidence how many current NBA PG's can you name which you would rather have playing for the C's?

CP and D Williams are of course a lock. Baron Davis is getting up there and may not be a "true" PG but still, hard to pass up... Who else? I can personally think of no more than 4-5. That's saying a lot.

Would Tony Parker's D be a liability or does his superior offensive arsenal win out?

Before listing Kidd and Nash consider their age and declining abilities -- this is not just for THIS season.

Before listing Calderon consider his absolutely pathetic defense.

Is Billups to slow or does his strength and IQ win out?

TJ Ford? Interesting... Andre Miller? Mo Williams? No thank you.


Curious to hear your thoughts. I'm sure there are quite a few who still think Rondo is just an average PG, though it's beyond me...

[Rocky5000]

Monta Ellis, Derrik Rose, Devin Harris, Billups, are all ahead of Rondo. TJ Ford isn't there because of his health problems.
You talk about Kidd and Nash being for the future, but this team isn't built for the future so I'd take them too.
He's probably somewhere in the middle or around average.

[Harison]

Tony Parker, D. Rose, Billups, Kidd, Nash and few more are significantly better than Rondo. That said, considering our budget and circumstances, we have a really good deal and great future prospect with Rondo, all is fine.

[_Mantofini_]

Raps fan here. Don't know why I felt the need to post in this thread but, obviously aside of CP3 and DWill, I think you guys may have the ideal point guard. Realistically, you have 3 guys that can and should dominate the ball offensively. Pierce is skilled enough to be a point guard effectively. Ray Allen is good enough to occasionally create. Bringing in another big time scorer would be kind of pointless. You need a guy that can defend well and penetrate and kick. Rondo does all of those things. Guys can improve their jumpers in time and that's all Rondo's really lacking.

Now, in an ideal world, if TJ didn't have his spinal condition, I think he would be the perfect guy for Boston. Great creator, can be a great defender and a much better offensive option.

[pERKiSaBEAST]

rONDO is a different type of player then a cp3 or dwill...I'll Take Rondo...he fits perfectly with the Celts...incredible offensive rebounding ability for a guard...a straight up thief as well, when Rondo plays with high energy and takes his layups and shots in the lane when he should, I'll take the alien with his inspector gadget arms (*which account for his shaky outside shooting) anyday.


lmao @ these morons on the gb putting cp3 and d wade ahead of Paul Pierce, Pierce dwarfs those two, the only people in the convo with Pierce are lebron and kobe.






*longer shooting motion, more chance for error during time it takes to release the ball, and his shooting motion is naturally less efficient, nothing he can do, still makes some big shots and makes up for it with his other skills and talents.

[SonicYouth34]

Deron Williams or Devin Harris are the only two I'd want.

[Al-Haqq]

I wouldn't mind Chris Paul over Rondo, lol!

[GuyClinch]

CP3 is pretty awesome you got to watch more ball if you don't think he is a world class player. I could see him winning MVP this year.

[pERKiSaBEAST]

no, chris paul may be slightly better then rondo, but he's not better for the Celtics then Rajon, and that's for sure.


Chris Paul is not like a Paul Pierce, he doesn't have that type of effect on a game, especially down the stretch.

I view chris paul sort of like a younger allen iverson type player who looks to pass more but still dribbles alot and dominates the ball, but is not a great shooter and can be contained with good team defense.

[BillessuR6]

C`mon, pERKiSaBEAST, CP is the best PG and a top 5 player in this league. He is a much, much better player then Rondo. Rondo is a perfect fit for this team but with Chris Paul the celtics would be on a whole new level. To compare the two isn`t really fair to Rajon.

But RR is better for this team than some other good PG`s like Calderon, Miller...

[pERKiSaBEAST]

I'll stick to agreeing with myself, since I'm right.

CP hasn't accomplished anything yet, he's not even on a D Wade level, never mind Paul Pierce.

and no, I don't believe we would be any better with cp starting because Rondo can get to the hoop and draw attention with the best of them, like last night, he just hasn't been consistent.

cp's numbers are going to look way better because he ALWAYS has the ball, since he doesn't have a big 3.

cp is a great player, and maybe at this point he would make the C's slightly better, but I would not want to give up Rondo for cp3 regardless.


And CP3 will NEVER, EVER, EVA EVA EVA, be able to rebound like Rondo, or poke the ball away from Iverson (etc) and go the length of the floor for a layup as much as Rondo.

[MyInsatiableOne]

I don't understand why people think we need a PG who scores 20 ppg. Do I want Rondo to be more aggressive when he has the option and average 10 ppg or so? Sure. But we have guys who can score and need the ball...Rondo's ballhandling, passing, defense, and rebounding making him the perfect fit for THIS team.

[underneathtoDJ]

pERKiSaBEAST- you've lost all credibility. Try watching CP3 play for once, literally any game he plays, and tell me you'd still rather have Rondo. He's a top 3-5 player in the league, while Rondo isn't even 3-5 in terms of PGs. While I love Rondo and think he's a fantastic PG for this team, CP3 is just on another level.

And CP3 already is a better rebounder than Rondo, as evidenced by his 5.5 RPG compared to Rondo's 3.9. And he also has 3.1 steals per game, compared to 2.2 for Rondo. I mean, there literally isn't a single stat that proves Rondo is better than CP3.

I understand you want to support our guys, but give me a break.

[MyInsatiableOne]

^^Agreed, CP3 is one of the best, if not THE best, PG in the league right now.

I still think for OUR system, Rondo is a good fit, though...

[captain_cheapseats]

Taking everything into account (age/upside, fit with team, injury history, etc.), this would be my list:

Definites:
CP3
D. Williams
Nash (I know he's getting older, but this would basically guarantee us #18)

Maybes:
B. Davis (a "maybe" because he's injury prone, otherwise would be a "definite")
Parker (again, injuries might scare me off)
Harris (haven't seen him play much yet this season, so can't really say)
Ellis (haven't seen him play at all yet this season, so can't really say.....would be a "definite" if he plays at the same level he did last year)

Not now, but maybe if something bad happened with the team (serious injury to PGA, etc.), and we needed to take a risk to contend:
Arenas (if he were to get healthy, that is)
Iverson
Billups
Ford
Miller

[threrf23]

CP3 is a no brainer. So is DWade regardless of whether he is a true PG. I guess Deron is a no brainer too, but I don't feel he is worthy of being mentioned in the same sentence as CP3.

I would take Billups, the guy brings too many intangibles and too much of an all around game and he's not exiting the league anytime soon. I wouldn't take Kidd, he's not the player he once was and continues to get older and remains injury prone. Nash I'm unsure of, I think he's been declining slightly in recent years as is and continues to age and his stats suddenly don't look so nice without D'Antoni. I would strongly consider Calderon. You don't pass up on Calderon because of his defense IMO and as far as I can gather he's not a horrible defender even if he's not a great one. A tall center can achor a defense, a big SF can defend multiple positions, a good defender @ PG often can only make so much of an impact as is.

Tony Parker I would also consider, he might not be that much of an upgrade over Rondo in certain areas like jump shooting, but he's still very solid and hasn't peaked yet. He's only 26 and has no longstanding history of being injury prone. Baron Davis is way too injury prone. I wouldn't take Miller (iffy jump shot and the rest of Rondo's game isn't too bad). I would not consider Ford - the unselfish instincts you want from the PG position aren't always there. His teams play better when he takes less shots. Every year of his career his offensive shooting efficiency has been noticeably lower than a few of his teammates' which indicates poor shot selection when you are also taking more shots than those teammates. You don't want that from your PG, who has more control over your offense than anyone else, and is likely called on to be a leader on the offensive side of the floor. Last season, among Raptors who played more than 500 minutes, Ford ranked 7th in shooting efficiency (I am referring to TS% which does a good job of estimating points per shot attempt) and yet took more shots (FGAs) per minute than anyone else on the team including Chris Bosh.

[Mahoney_jr]

I'm in the minority and my opinion on Point Guards may be to some of you disputeable...

but having Chris Paul brings the disadvantage of one single player dominating the ball and therefore making your offense predictable. Additionally the defense begins with the Point Guard and I would want him to save some air for the other side of the ball.

Chris Paul is indeed awesome. But he is too good, too complete and therefore too expensive and commands a role too large on our current team. Rondo fits our squad better.

[GuyClinch]

CP3 is not a ball dominating PG - he will make passes early in the shot clock. He would fit our system fine LMAO. Pierce and Ray Allen are perfectly happy to move off the ball to get shots. The big reason why Pierce handled the ball down the stretch in the playoffs last year wasn't because of some system constraint. It was because Rondo didn't draw enough defensive attention to make some of the plays work. When Pierce sets people up people MUST defend him.

This is the same reason why a guy like CP3 is so superior. Why do you want a scorer at PG? Because he demands respect opening up the rest of the team for easy shots.

This is meant to be kinda a fantasy question - ignoring things like salary cap and cost. Rondo is very schizo right now - whereas CP brings a great game every single night. CP3 is jaw dropping good. Rondo will make some sweet plays now and then but he isn't in the CP3 catergory. Rondo is nearly as schizo as TA. He has some nights where he is just OFF. Other nights you think man this guy is one of the best in the NBA.

So right now CP3 is a A player; Rondo is second tier. The C's have a great team but of course the best NBA players would help us. Perk is great for us - he does a ton of the dirty work. But I think we would be okay with Dwight Howard. Likewise I think with CP3 the C's would do just fine.

Did you think the olympic team was suffering with CP3 at point? It would be a very similiar situation with us. As Pierce/RA/KG/CP3 would easily win the gold.

Pete

[BakersDozen]

Chris Paul
Deron Williams
Tony Parker
Derick Rose

... thats about it

[pERKiSaBEAST]

Thinking about it further.

I think most Celtics fans really underappreciate their team, just like the national media does.


Chris Paul is simply not as good for the Celtics as Rondo, Rondo is a better player for the Celtics.


I can't imagine CP fitting well with the Big 3, they way he dominates the ball and needs it in his hands the duration of the time.


The chemistry would be completely off.


Why would I want to change anything about THE CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM, which is currently the best team in the NBA and showing signs of steady improvement ?


I tend to think that this thread is an example of most sports fans being relatively unintelligent.