Trade ideas/predictions for Ainge before the deadline

[campybatman]

I'll like to see the Celtics acquire some real help for Rondo at point guard, depth at center and a dirty work kind of a player. Ainge likely will have to part with Powe, Scalabrine, O'Bryant, Tony Allen, House, Pruitt or Davis or any combination of said players in order to facilitate any trade(s).

Trade with Charlotte for Raymond Felton. I remember his name was thought to be on the block after the draft once the Bobcats drafted DJ Augustin. Felton is solid lead guard with speed and quickness and can dish and rebound like Rondo. However, like Rondo, he lacks ideal size for a point guard and isn't a great shooter either. Could become a free agent at season's end, if not sign to an extension.

Trade with Oklahoma City for Joe Smith. He's an aging player who's skills are on the decline, but is still a capable veteran off the bench who like Felton could be an expiring contract for that team. If healthy, he could be a decent addition looking toward the playoffs like PJ Brown last season. And like Charlotte, this team probably isn't going to make the playoffs and might think of removing salaries of players that won't be a part of the long term plans.

Trade with Los Angeles Clippers for Marcus Camby. Of the three suggestions, this is probably the least likely to happen if both parties were interested in trading. Camby like the aforementioned players, doesn't require a long term commitment as he has one more year remaining. If healthy, he's a capable starter and defender in the middle. Could be motivated to have a chance at winning a title and playing with Garnett. The Clippers have said that they'll like to keep both he and Kaman. But, I've to believe that the acquisition of Randolph could make them rethink their options if the right offer for Camby (or Kaman) come their way before the deadline.

Oh, my prediction is: Ainge will trade Powe. For some reason I don't believe Ainge will resign him to an extension if there's a market for him and another team can lure him away from Boston with the opportunity to start. Not to mention, Powe probably has the most trade value among the reserves besides Tony Allen (if he were more consistent). The only incentive to remain in Boston would be that you see no reasons to leave. That is, you like the city and enjoy your teammates. On the other hand, he has already won a ring. For some players, it about the pay raise. I don't know, we'll see... But, next off season will be an important one for Ainge. And I'm not just meaning about Ray Allen in terms of decisions to be made.

[MVP16]

We don't need more depth at pg, we already have 4 of them. And no way I would want Felton, the guy is like an Antoine Walker of pgs...bad shooting, a lot of turnovers and not much defense. Charlotte would do great by making Augustin as their permanent starting pg and trade Felton for as much value as possible. TA and Powe aren't getting traded either, unless we get someone really good in return.

Joe Smith is someone I'm sure Danny is keeping an eye on. But he could much as likely be bought out and we could snatch him up as a free agent. There's no rush to make any trades right now. As for Camby, I would rather have Perk as our starting center then Camby so there's no need for him.

[kakopedi1]

I'd love to get Andray Blatche from the Wiz. I think we're going to need an athletic big and he'd be pretty good alongside KG and Perk. I think we'd be alot more dominate on the defensive end if we had a 7footer who can block shots and rebounds.

So here's mine trade/wish idea.......Scal & Powe and cash for Blatche and Juan Dixon.

[Fencer reregistered]

The worst player on the team to get regular minutes is BBD. This illustrates that our biggest hole is backup center.

Or you might say he's the second worst, because Scal gets minutes at SF these days. Well, with a sufficiently good jumpshooting defensive center, we could play a front court of Garnett/Powe/NewGuy at times.

I think we need PJ Brown back, or Joe Smith. That's a question of FA signings more than of trades.

[humblebum]

People continue to talk down Glen Davis but Doc and the coaching staff clearly think differently. He is consistently getting minutes, in some games Doc is going with Davis over Powe or playing Davis extended minutes. He must be doing something right and that something revolves around picks, defense, and overall basketball IQ. He's sorely underrated as a prospect IMO, because he's the anti-Gerald Green and has the farthest game from sexy that you could imagine. But Davis continues to find a way to fit in and make his quiet contributions on a nightly basis. Luckily Doc realizes Davis' true value.

As far as trades or predictions for the deadline. I don't see us going after a PG, maybe beside Marbury if he's bought out, but even that seems pretty farfetched. Joe Smith and PJ Brown are the other two most likely candidates to come on as FA's. It's possible but unlikely that DA will look to make a trade as they can be very damaging to team chemistry, which at this point is essentially flawless for the Celtics, not much of a need to risk messing that up.

[MaxwellSmart]

We're 13-2 and just starting to gel....I doubt Ainge does anything until the trade deadline....

I think everyone on this board under values Big Baby....I always here his name thrown into trades.This guy is a big reason why teams don't like to play the Celtics...He creates match up nightmares for opposing coaches...His huge body and the way he crashes into the action,make it real uncomfortable to play against...We definitely need his muscle out there to help out our Skinny Star.

[MaxwellSmart]

People continue to talk down Glen Davis but Doc and the coaching staff clearly think differently. He is consistently getting minutes, in some games Doc is going with Davis over Powe or playing Davis extended minutes. He must be doing something right and that something revolves around picks, defense, and overall basketball IQ. He's sorely underrated as a prospect IMO, because he's the anti-Gerald Green and has the farthest game from sexy that you could imagine. But Davis continues to find a way to fit in and make his quiet contributions on a nightly basis. Luckily Doc realizes Davis' true value.

As far as trades or predictions for the deadline. I don't see us going after a PG, maybe beside Marbury if he's bought out, but even that seems pretty farfetched. Joe Smith and PJ Brown are the other two most likely candidates to come on as FA's. It's possible but unlikely that DA will look to make a trade as they can be very damaging to team chemistry, which at this point is essentially flawless for the Celtics, not much of a need to risk messing that up.

WOW---you beat me to it...I love Big Baby!!

[ParticleMan]

at 13-2 i daresay we don't really need to make a trade.

[pERKiSaBEAST]

Felton seems to be a good point guard, but we don't need him.


In Fact, the only person we really need is maybe PJ Brown.




Or another free agent, one will come along.

What about Scott Pollard to back up Perk ?

He still wants to play, he was a beast in SacTown and was solid for the C's before he his knees gave out and I believe he had successful surgery.

I think we will have options down the road without breaking up the team, except for maybe Scal, O'bryant, pruitt, someone like that.

[GuyClinch]

LMAO. BBD stinks. His PER is 5.1 his PER against is 17.1. He doesn't really stop people and he doesn't really do anything productive on the court.

His eFG% is 328. <g> 69 percent of the shots he takes are jumpers but he hits 22.5% of them. He averages 2.5 assists per 48. So I suppose at best he is an okay passer. He blocks .4 shots per 48 minutes. His rebound rate is nothing to write home about at 13%.

So what we have is a guy who plays center who can't block shots. Who doesn't rebound well - shoots mostly jumpers and doesn't hit any of them. Oh yeah his passing is respectable. He is like Scalabrine fat cousin. Oh the "intangibles."

Any deal where we move BBD or Scalabrine for ANY rotation player is a good deal. These guys shouldn't be in our rotation. I don't mind them sitting inactive but they aren't good enough to be rotation guys on a champion NBA team.

Heck at least Scalabrine is shooting okay. He has to slot above BBD in value.

Pete

[Fencer reregistered]

ARE YOU FUKIN DUMB FUKIN MORON F@GGUTS NOT WATCHING THE GAMES AT ALL?

GO FUKKKK YOURSELF YOU DISLOYAL COWARD FUKS, YOU ARE A FKN COWARD.

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YOU DUMB PIECE OF $H1T, YOUR MIND IS A FESTERING POOL OF DEFECATION.

I'm beginning to see why you get banned so often.

[Fencer reregistered]

He creates match up nightmares for opposing coaches...

Guys who can't score rarely create match-up nightmares.

[cisco]

Why would a team that is 13-2 need a trade? I think it makes more sense to wait to see which players are bought out and go after a free agent, rather than to disrupt the chemistry in any way. Heck, there are already players that we may be able to get in that manner.

Rather than make a trade, we could do one of several things:
-sign PJ Brown - I remember him saying if he played again, it would be for the Celtics
-try to get Joe Smith if he is bought out
-activate Cassell if point becomes a problem
-Bonzi Wells

[humblebum]

Pete the problem with your statistical analysis is that it fails to pass the eye ball test. Glen Davis consistently guards the best post player on the floor. So it makes sense that his defensive PER is no good given what the coaching staff is asking him to do on the floor, especially when you consider he has to make up for the defensive shortcomings of Eddie House and Leon Powe. In terms of rebounding on the defensive end you'll often see Davis dutifully boxing out and allowing his teammate to snare the rebound. Offensively his game is perimeter oriented so unlike Powe he's not really focused on working for loose change around the basket. His greatest asset offensively, and frankly it's an underrated aspect of the game, is his ability to set picks and get guys open. He understands the offense and finds the right areas on the floor to create floor spacing. The jumpshot isn't going down quite yet but he has the potential to knock it down.

Finally he brings energy and attitude. Yes intangibles. Stat geeks don't like intangibles because it messes up all their pretty numbers but there is a reason why Davis continues to get minutes, sometimes over Powe and Perk. Doc likes what he sees from Davis on the floor, the numbers aren't there for Davis because Doc doesn't ask Davis to "get numbers" he's asking him to do everything but that.

I agree that the Celtics need another rotation level big but I'm making the prediction that when that does happen, Davis and Powe will be splitting the leftover minutes, Davis might even win a larger share of that role.

[BillTheGOAT]

why can't we sign darius miles again ? he plays sf,sure he will be banned for 10 games,but he's got experience,then we sign another fa.like joe smith that everybody keeps talking about or alonzo or pj brown. giddens,walker should leave,i think also sam should be out, then i keep POB and davis but one of them should leave for next season. as well as miles we need a better back up sf next year and a better center,for the longer run maybe joe smith even though his age,then we don't need to trade next season.

[Golabki]

[quote="humblebum"]Pete the problem with your statistical analysis is that it fails to pass the eye ball test. Glen Davis consistently guards the best post player on the floor. So it makes sense that his defensive PER is no good given what the coaching staff is asking him to do on the floor, especially when you consider he has to make up for the defensive shortcomings of Eddie House and Leon Powe. In terms of rebounding on the defensive end you'll often see Davis dutifully boxing out and allowing his teammate to snare the rebound. Offensively his game is perimeter oriented so unlike Powe he's not really focused on working for loose change around the basket. His greatest asset offensively, and frankly it's an underrated aspect of the game, is his ability to set picks and get guys open. He understands the offense and finds the right areas on the floor to create floor spacing. The jumpshot isn't going down quite yet but he has the potential to knock it down.

Finally he brings energy and attitude. Yes intangibles. Stat geeks don't like intangibles because it messes up all their pretty numbers but there is a reason why Davis continues to get minutes, sometimes over Powe and Perk. Doc likes what he sees from Davis on the floor, the numbers aren't there for Davis because Doc doesn't ask Davis to "get numbers" he's asking him to do everything but that.

I agree that the Celtics need another rotation level big but I'm making the prediction that when that does happen, Davis and Powe will be splitting the leftover minutes, Davis might even win a larger share of that role.[/quote]

Davis is rebounding like Scal. Offensively he isn't doing anything other than hitting a occational open jump shot. Intangibles? If you want a fat, poor rebounding bigman with "intangibles" you can play Scal and at least get a better pure shooter on the floor. I mean this is the EXACT argument people were having over Scal in 05-through-07.

I don't no where the concept that Davis is some kind of defensive stud came from but it is pretty silly. The best thing you can say about Davis is that he doesn't make many gross mistakes. The reason Davis is playing 18 minutes a game is that the celtics don't want to have KG playing 30 minutes a night at Center and Perkins isn't the type of guy who can go 40 minutes. POB is the only other in-house option and he makes a huge number of mistakes. Davis/backup center appeared to be the biggest weakness going into the season, and Davis has been worse than expected. Replacing him this a real backup center needs to be the main goal of the front office.

[Ortho Stice]

Trade with Charlotte for Raymond Felton. I remember his name was thought to be on the block after the draft once the Bobcats drafted DJ Augustin. Felton is solid lead guard with speed and quickness and can dish and rebound like Rondo. However, like Rondo, he lacks ideal size for a point guard and isn't a great shooter either.

PG is our second deepest position behind PF, and yet you suggest that we trade for a PG with the exact same skill-set as our starting PG? I'm trying hard to see why this would make sense for us.

Trade with Oklahoma City for Joe Smith. He's an aging player who's skills are on the decline, but is still a capable veteran off the bench who like Felton could be an expiring contract for that team.

Once again, PF is a position where we're deep at. An offensively minded back-up PF is already taken by Powe.

People continue to talk down Glen Davis but Doc and the coaching staff clearly think differently. He is consistently getting minutes, in some games Doc is going with Davis over Powe or playing Davis extended minutes.

Or because the coaching staff has no other option except to play Patrick O'Bryant who should be in the D-League. I like Big Baby but he's so short for a center, with no length or athleticism to make up for it. Switching from PJ Brown to Big Baby was a huge downgrade which could ultimately cost us a chance at repeating. If we can somehow find a way to get a legitimate back-up center, then we shouldn't hesitate.

[dingodile]

um seriously this thread is the most (Please Use More Appropriate Word) thing I've read in 25 years.


ARE YOU FUKIN DUMB FUKIN MORON F@GGUTS NOT WATCHING THE GAMES AT ALL?

GO FUKKKK YOURSELF YOU DISLOYAL COWARD FUKS, YOU ARE A FKN COWARD.


THE TEAM WHO JUST WON A CHAMPIONSHIP, AND YOU WANT TO DISMANTLE IT ?


BIG BABY HAS AN AMAZING BBALL IQ, IS AN OUTSTANDING PASSER, HAS QUICK FEET ON DEFENSE AND IS EXTREMELY STRONG WITH A LOW CENTER OF GRAVITY TO KEEP YAO, SNAQ, ETC OFF THE BLOCK, WHEN RELIEVING KEN.


LMAO @ TRADE POWE, FOR JOE SMITH???? HAHAHAHAHA

LEON POWE IS GOING ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE BUT TO THE RAACKK IN A CELTICS UNIFORM YOU DUMB PIECE OF $H1T, YOUR MIND IS A FESTERING POOL OF DEFECATION.

Honestly, please tone it until you at least get one exchange with Coach Mang. It'll be worth it believe me.

[LenBiasBaller]

Yeah we are 13-2 right now and we can just ride out with this team...that is an option.

The most important thing come playoff time is matchups. We need to evaluate who are the top contenders and make a trade or a pick-up to address those type of concerns...aside from that I like our team but we do have some holes you cant deny that.

Not to toot the lakers horn but they are stacked this year. They are extremely long and can put out two 7 footers and Odom and 6'11 that is crazy. I love how BBD and Powe are playing but that kind of length might cause problems.

[LenBiasBaller]

Yeah we are 13-2 right now and we can just ride out with this team...that is an option.

The most important thing come playoff time is matchups. We need to evaluate who are the top contenders and make a trade or a pick-up to address those type of concerns...aside from that I like our team but we do have some holes you cant deny that.

Not to toot the lakers horn but they are stacked this year. They are extremely long and can put out two 7 footers and Odom and 6'11 that is crazy. I love how BBD and Powe are playing but that kind of length might cause problems.