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I never understood why he was so under appreciated on these boards. His recent play should shut up all the haters.

TreyAllen34 wrote:I never understood why he was so under appreciated on these boards. His recent play should shut up all the haters.

.............. K.G stole the show.

People are laying off because he's playing how they expected him to play when we brought him in.

you woulda thought that after Ray's performances in the ECF and the Finals everyone would of realized how important he is to the team, but yet at the start of this season ppl were still trying to find scenarios for trading him away. Ray is lighting it up right now and he will have a great season all around.

Ray is doing great. The double ankle surgery affected him last year. He's further away from that now and has regained some athleticism.

Plus Rondo's improved play is really helping Ray. Allen's getting open look after open look.

I also never understood Ray haters, he was always an amazing player, even after double surgery he had his moments last year, especially in the finals when it mattered the most. I'm even sure he wont sustain such high level of productivity throughout all season, nor its needed, as long as he is in the good form during playoffs.

Look at Pierce now, does anyone want to make thread "lets trade him for..."? Every great athlete has slowdowns, even KG had a lousy start this season, Rondo had it even worse.

They are lurking till he has few bad games. I think I spied a PP hater over on another board. These kinds of threads are silly.Do you guys notice that not all the posters post all the time? Haters are going to read the board unless the guy they hate is doing poorly then they 'vent.'

Hiding...waiting.....just lurking. Waiting for a bad game to spring forth to post.

I hated the way Ray was playing and I said as much.

Looky here, the ball is not in Ray's hands and the whole "Rajon can't shoot" is no longer an issue. In fact, if you look back to the point when I was saying that Ray needs to play off the ball and stop creating offense for just Ray, well, it coincided with the "emergence" of Rajon.

If you look at points per possession, since Ray has played more in line with which I said would be ideal for the TEAM, the Celtics offense has catapulted from 27th in the league to 9th. If you look at just the starters' efficiency as a unit, they have shot up from 103.65 points per 100 possessions, over a period 233.12 MP (at the time of my comments), and now at 113.02 points per100 in 395.10 MP as a starting unit.

In light of these (not so) recent developments, any of you "Ray Allen defenders" want to explain why I was wrong about Ray Allen? I am still waiting. Go back, read carefully and you will see exactly what I was talking about in regards to the need for Ray to play off the ball and to stop bringing his man back into the play he isn't involved in.

You will also see that I said I don't care about Ray's shooting efficiencies and points scored ... just that he is playing in the manner that is needed. I find it amusing that a lot of people on here make it into "Ray shutz gud!! He roxx!!" statement. Well, no **** that he shoots well. It doesn't dismiss the fact that when Ray does not play in a manner that augments and accentuates his teammates, his value is only what he personally brings to the table.

Ray still has a way to go. He is still occupying on the left hand side of the court (his sweet spot.) That's also Paul Pierce's major hot zone. Sure, Ray floats to other areas of the floor more this season than last year but, with Pierce as one of the primary playmakers, Ray Allen needs to play off of Pierce and not the other way around.

BTW, I think the craptastic posters who attempt to snuff out intelligent conversation on this site need to haul their ass, hush their **** and go kick rocks.

Ray's playing a lot more WITH the ball this year than last year. He's getting way more plays called for him and he's benefiting from more open looks because Rajon is making more plays than the year before.

Plus Ray is healthier and has more oomphhhf to his shots as well as his drives.

He's still playing solid defense and actually did a much better job staying in front of Roy than Pierce did.

Ray is also continuing to get his nose dirty on the offensive boards and leaking out in the open court to get some cheap and easy fast break points.

He's def. doing more this year than just being a spot up shooter.

Pogue Mahone wrote:I hated the way Ray was playing and I said as much.

Looky here, the ball is not in Ray's hands and the whole "Rajon can't shoot" is no longer an issue. In fact, if you look back to the point when I was saying that Ray needs to play off the ball and stop creating offense for just Ray, well, it coincided with the "emergence" of Rajon.

If you look at points per possession, since Ray has played more in line with which I said would be ideal for the TEAM, the Celtics offense has catapulted from 27th in the league to 9th. If you look at just the starters' efficiency as a unit, they have shot up from 103.65 points per 100 possessions, over a period 233.12 MP (at the time of my comments), and now at 113.02 points per100 in 395.10 MP as a starting unit.

In light of these (not so) recent developments, any of you "Ray Allen defenders" want to explain why I was wrong about Ray Allen? I am still waiting. Go back, read carefully and you will see exactly what I was talking about in regards to the need for Ray to play off the ball and to stop bringing his man back into the play he isn't involved in.

You will also see that I said I don't care about Ray's shooting efficiencies and points scored ... just that he is playing in the manner that is needed. I find it amusing that a lot of people on here make it into "Ray shutz gud!! He roxx!!" statement. Well, no **** that he shoots well. It doesn't dismiss the fact that when Ray does not play in a manner that augments and accentuates his teammates, his value is only what he personally brings to the table.

Ray still has a way to go. He is still occupying on the left hand side of the court (his sweet spot.) That's also Paul Pierce's major hot zone. Sure, Ray floats to other areas of the floor more this season than last year but, with Pierce as one of the primary playmakers, Ray Allen needs to play off of Pierce and not the other way around.

BTW, I think the craptastic posters who attempt to snuff out intelligent conversation on this site need to haul their ass, hush their **** and go kick rocks.

LOL, Ray's had the ball a lot more this season than last, they actually run plays for him this season. You wrote such a long reply and basically said nothing.

Well, when a player plays well, haters go away. Frankly though, anyone hating on Ray isn't paying attention. He's playing great ball right now.

Ray is taking his fewest shots per game since his rookie year (less than last season), and averaging a point more per game. The reason? He's taking better shots. Been outstanding in the flow of the offense this year, especially playing off Rondo.

TreyAllen34 wrote:LOL, Ray's had the ball a lot more this season than last, they actually run plays for him this season. You wrote such a long reply and basically said nothing.

Ok. I see that you're incapable of understanding a nuanced point and it has been duly noted. I will ensure to steer clear of you when it comes time to have intellectual discourse.

FWIW, more shots doesn't necessarily equate to having the ball in his hands-- at least not in the spirit that it was meant. You know that, though, you are just attempting to stir ****.

It may have been the ankle problem; I don't know.

I suspect more of it had to do with taking a while to understand his role in the offense. It wasn't easy for him not to be the #1 option. I also think his struggles in the playoffs prior to the Finals had to do somewhat with the threats on his mother's and stepfather's lives.

I NEVER agreed with those who thought he was too old or done or whatever. All you needed to do was see his shooting display in the All-Star Game and the Finals to see that.

As a huge UConn fan, Ray and Paul have always been my two favorite NBA players, so I'm extra thrilled to see him playing so well.

NOBODY has a sweeter stroke than Ray when he's on.

He's playing better this season because he is no longer hurt, and also because the team's actually looking to get him shots. I found last year Ray's job was to stand near the 3 point line and wait, whereas this year he's actually having more plays called for him, and Rondo's looking for him. Anyone notice that in the last few games many of Ray's shots were off Rondo assists? I was expecting another season where Ray's skills would be underutilized, but I guess i was wrong.

The reports of Ray's demise have been greatly exagerated around here.

But the worst part isn't that you guys are trying to predict his demise due to age or whatever, which is bad enough, it was some of the ridiculous trade ideas that were proposed. Hey, maybe now that Ray's stock is up, we can trade him and Leon for crap. What do you guys think?

We told you guys what we thought, and guess what, we were right.

Ray is the perfect complement for this team. On offense PP and Rondo are slashers, KG and Perk are in the paint, and Ray is spreading the floor on the perimeter. Pick your poison.

On defense, he's able to guard some of the best offensive players on the other team. He also leads the second unit, rebounds, gets a few assists a game, has very few turnovers, and has a shot that is still as sweet as can be. If it's late, I want Ray shooting the free throws. If it's a 3 pointer we need, I go to Ray. If any of the other starters go down due to injury, I expect Ray to step up.

I read a comment Ray's wife made recently in the paper. Ray's son is being treated at one of the best places in the world for diabetes and diabetes research, which is in Boston. She said that Danny better make a place for Ray to coach after he retires, because they ain't leaving Boston.

You guys should be thankful, I don't think Ray's going anywhere.

I absolutely love the way Ray Allen is playing. But, I would still trade him in the offseason if the right trade opportunity presented itself. IMO Barring major injury, His trade value will be at its peak this off season.

Even if we win the championship again this year?

Havlicek17 wrote:Even if we win the championship again this year?

Not likely.

Huh?

Not likely that we will trade him after we win the championship?

Or not likely we will win the Championship this year?