Trade all the young backups for picks and bring in the vets

cfan79 · Post #1 » by **cfan79** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:35 pm

These young guys aren't doing enough to help us. I say trade them all for future picks. We can worry about developing young guys when we're not trying to win a title. Only guys I like are Powe and Bill Walker, but even they can go for the right picks.

(Trade them)

Baby
JR Giddens
Tony Allen
O'Bryant
Gabe Pruitt

(Bring in)

Mourning
PJ
A.Walker
Marbury

New Roster

Perkins/Mourning/Powe
KG/PJ Brown/Scala
Pierce/A.Walker
R.Allen/House/B.Walker
Rondo/Marbury/Cassell

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #2 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 6:56 pm

I think we should just sign David Robinson, Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, and Scottie Pippen. Then we'd have half of the 1996 Dream Team coming off our bench. Not too shabby, eh bros?

cfan79 · Post #3 » by **cfan79** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 7:12 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:I think we should just sign David Robinson, Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, and Scottie Pippen. Then we'd have half of the 1996 Dream Team coming off our bench. Not too shabby, eh bros?

It might sound crazy to some, but I think that those guys could beat our bench in a 5 on 5.

Bad-Thoma · Post #4 » by **Bad-Thoma** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:36 pm

DON"T PANIC

Hemingway · Post #5 » by **Hemingway** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:47 pm

Cant we just trade cfan79?

mr_sunshine · Post #6 » by **mr_sunshine** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 8:53 pm

No one wants our garbage.

cfan79 · Post #7 » by **cfan79** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:14 pm

Hemingway wrote:Cant we just trade cfan79?

You hurt me for the last time. I'm going to remember this even next year. :cry:

Celts09 · Post #8 » by **Celts09** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 9:21 pm

WALKER!!!!!!!! haha
Looks like pj officially retired.

Dave_From_NB · Post #9 » by **Dave_From_NB** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:27 pm

So our bench is going to be someone who is working out 2 hours a day with another team, a retiree, a player so bad one of the worst teams in the league paid him 95% of his salary to stay away, and someone on contract with another team. Ya, there are no holes in that plan.

On the positive side, we'd have so many 2'nd round picks next year that maybe we could try for a Dev League championship, provided Danny could convince the NBA to allow us to send 8 guys down.

Celts09 · Post #10 » by **Celts09** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:41 pm

Dave_From_NB wrote:a player so bad one of the worst teams in the league paid him 95% of his salary to stay away,

Marbury has not been bought out yet and he probably wont get 95% of his salary back.

Dave_From_NB · Post #11 » by **Dave_From_NB** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 10:52 pm

Celts09 wrote:
Dave_From_NB wrote:a player so bad one of the worst teams in the league paid him 95% of his salary to stay away,

Marbury has not been bought out yet and he probably wont get 95% of his salary back.

lol - apparently I need to clarify:

Mourning - someone who is working out 2 hours a day with another team
PJ - a retiree
A Walker - a player so bad one of the worst teams in the league paid him 95% of his salary to stay away
Marbury - someone on contract with another team.

Dogen · Post #12 » by **Dogen** » Wed Dec 31, 2008 11:53 pm

Dave_From_NB wrote:
Celts09 wrote:
Dave_From_NB wrote:a player so bad one of the worst teams in the league paid him 95% of his salary to stay away,

Marbury has not been bought out yet and he probably wont get 95% of his salary back.

lol - apparently I need to clarify:

Mourning - someone who is working out 2 hours a day with another team
PJ - a retiree
A Walker - a player so bad one of the worst teams in the league paid him 95% of his salary to stay away
Marbury - someone on contract with another team.

Looks clarified to me. Like butter.

Slim pickins out there for us this year. What's Ben Pepper been up to?

Celts09 · Post #13 » by **Celts09** » Thu Jan 1, 2009 12:01 am

Dave_From_NB wrote:
Celts09 wrote:
Dave_From_NB wrote:a player so bad one of the worst teams in the league paid him 95% of his salary to stay away,

Marbury has not been bought out yet and he probably wont get 95% of his salary back.

lol - apparently I need to clarify:

Mourning - someone who is working out 2 hours a day with another team
PJ - a retiree
A Walker - a player so bad one of the worst teams in the league paid him 95% of his salary to stay away
Marbury - someone on contract with another team.

i knew who u meant i was just kidding.

But if walker could lose some weight i wouldnt mind offering him scals spot. Cause every time i hear the chants for scal i get so disappointed! I also get scared every time he gets out there to play.

Celts09 · Post #14 » by **Celts09** » Thu Jan 1, 2009 12:10 am

Dogen wrote:What's Ben Pepper been up to?

He had the 5th best field goal % in the NBL 07 -08 season.

DarkAzcura · Post #15 » by **DarkAzcura** » Thu Jan 1, 2009 2:24 am

cfan79 wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:I think we should just sign David Robinson, Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, and Scottie Pippen. Then we'd have half of the 1996 Dream Team coming off our bench. Not too shabby, eh bros?

It might sound crazy to some, but I think that those guys could beat our bench in a 5 on 5.

Doesn't sound crazy to me...give them a month of practice.

It'd definitely be interesting haha

Joekickass2008 · Post #16 » by **Joekickass2008** » Thu Jan 1, 2009 9:15 am

Why has Shawn Kemp not been mentioned yet?

GreenGrizz · Post #17 » by **GreenGrizz** » Thu Jan 1, 2009 1:12 pm

It is a great lesson for Ainge. We just can't sign players cheap and draft second rounders. He is underestimating nba scouts. I don't care if he is a great draft evaluator. Too bad this is not baseball. A nba team only can hold up to 15 players.

Celtsfan1980 · Post #18 » by **Celtsfan1980** » Thu Jan 1, 2009 3:13 pm

Why would you trade Pruitt? He's looked good when he has played, and he is still very young. I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes one of the top 2 reserves on Boston within 2 years. I think we've had 4 or 5 threads about the bench within 24 hours. Do we really need this many?

Celts09 · Post #19 » by **Celts09** » Thu Jan 1, 2009 4:10 pm

When players go down to the D League they shouldnt be part of the 15 man roster. It would allow NBA teams to sign other players that can help their team now.

Pogue Mahone · Post #20 » by **Pogue Mahone** » Thu Jan 1, 2009 5:10 pm

Celts09 wrote:When players go down to the D League they shouldnt be part of the 15 man roster. It would allow NBA teams to sign other players that can help their team now.

In theory I agree with you but what would stop the richer teams from stockpiling real talent in the D-League?

The problem with the D-League is that is basically the Mountain West Conference on crack. Sure, you can instruct your players to play in a certain manner and to work on certain fundamental aspects of their game. What is happening, though, is that the teammates on these teams are all gunning and gambling on defense.

For instance, look at the bigs on Utah. Besides being utter garbage, they shoot contested jumpers in the middle of a set-play. It's like telling your player to improve his game by playing with four Rick Davis' on his team. You can't really blame those players because they want a shot to make it onto the end of someone's bench.

The only way you improve the D-League, imo, is to require each team to have a minor league team. Then you must cap out spending for that D-League affiliate, not to include 1st RD picks, so as to avoid the teams with fiscal superiority from basically buying a "second" NBA team for depth purposes. Maybe cap out the maximum time affiliated with an NBA team at 3 years. Say, BillFromBoston has played 3 years in the D-League for the Celtics, the Celtics would not be able to send him down again for a fourth season. If another team signs him to a D-League contract, he can only sign and play in the D-League for that one season.

The D-League does have it's benefits but there are way too many flaws in it's construction for it to be viable breeding ground for future NBA talent. And don't listen to the entire "the D-League has sent up the most 10-day contracts" etc, bit, either. The D-League is currently the only half-decent minor league in the USA. The ABA, IBL, WBL, etc have all fallen away a bit.

As to the original view of the OP, no freaking way. You don't mortgage the future like that, imo. The following players are the only that I would be inclined to cut bait with in the right deal:

Tony Allen
Glen Davis
Sam Cassell

Players I would move if the return was ideal:

Brian Scalabrine
Ray Allen
Eddie House

Everyone else is a keeper for the foreseeable future (unless a knock my socks off kind of deal came about.)

I am especially intrigued by Pruitt, O'Bryant, Walker and Giddens. I need to see more, in different situations, before I am ready to ship them out.

Rondo, Perkins and Powe will keep this ball rolling into the future.