Let's Face It: Eddie House Can't Play PG

s1ickd · Post #1 » by **s1ickd** » Mon Jan 5, 2009 7:17 am

... and it's costing us.

When Rondo isn't in the lineup, everyone has a harder time scoring. The level of difficulty doesn't simply increase, it exponentially skyrockets. Heres what happens when Eddie House is our point gaurd.

Pierce - he is forced to put the team on his shoulders and make plays a la '05-'07
Ray - instead of being the recipient of kickouts and being open, he's forced to take fadeway leaners off the dribble
KG - he rarely sees the open 15 footers because the drive and kick is much less effective with eddie in the lineup. also, he has one less cutter to pass to.
Tony - instead of a 2 dribble penetrator, TA is forced to start his drives from outside the arc and often has to play pg
Perk - he's reduced to an offensive rebounder and nothing more, due to a lack of driving handoffs

in other words, key players on our team severely suffer when Eddie House plays point gaurd. Don't get me wrong, he has a lot of energy and is great as a spotup shooter, but thats it. In other words, I wouldn't mind him backing up Ray for 12 mins a game and having Pruitt handle the point.

I cringe and pray for Rondo when the offense is running through House. He isn't a good ball handler, has average court vision, can't finish at the hoop, and is often too quick on the trigger.

This team is desperate for Pruitt to either be a significant and consistent part of the PG rotation, or to bring someone else in (Marbury).

Joekickass2008 · Post #2 » by **Joekickass2008** » Mon Jan 5, 2009 7:27 am

Pruitt aint the answer now and will not be into the future....why has he been sitting so much otherwise? Even in blow outs he only gets 3 - 5 minutes. I dont imagine teh C's coaches see him as a quality Pg now, he is what we all call a prospect...has the tools....but nto ready yet.

We need to look elsewhere....Starburt, Cassell, other???

s1ickd · Post #3 » by **s1ickd** » Mon Jan 5, 2009 7:54 am

Tinsley comes to mind but he's making way too much money for us to even try and match. Same deal with Bobby Jackson.

I wouldn't mind bringing in Juan Dixon. we can probably grab him in exchange for Giddens. He can hit an outside shot and is a much better ball handler and passer than House.

GreenGrizz · Post #4 » by **GreenGrizz** » Mon Jan 5, 2009 9:26 am

Sign a player out of NBDL. I would welcome an experiment.

SuigintouEV · Post #5 » by **SuigintouEV** » Mon Jan 5, 2009 9:50 am

KG - he rarely sees the open 15 footers because the drive and kick is much less effective with eddie in the lineup. also, he has one less cutter to pass to.

Here lies the fundamental problem. Doc needs to be calling plays that have KG deep in the post when House is on the floor.

Hell, the celtics need to be running plays that have KG deep in the post way more often, period.

I understand the importance of ball movement and all that, but sometimes you need to make your star big man be a star big man, not Vlade Divac

DieselCeltic · Post #6 » by **DieselCeltic** » Mon Jan 5, 2009 12:30 pm

Eddie House is not a PG, we all know this. The man can shoot the lights out and thats about it.

Celts17Pride · Post #7 » by **Celts17Pride** » Mon Jan 5, 2009 2:38 pm

Joekickass2008 wrote:Pruitt aint the answer now and will not be into the future

Nobody knows if Pruitt is a player or not. Doc has done this before with young guys playing time. A few years ago he didn't play Ryan Gomes for nearly half the season and last year he did the same thing with Leon Powe.

It's time to give the backup PG to Pruitt and let him sink or swim. Let House play backup 2 guard and sit Tony Allen down right next to Sam Cassell. I suspect the reason they don't do this is because they don't want to effect Tony Allen's trade valve (whatever that is).

Tricky Ricky · Post #8 » by **Tricky Ricky** » Mon Jan 5, 2009 3:05 pm

DieselCeltic wrote:Eddie House is not a PG, we all know this. The man can shoot the lights out and thats about it.

Agreed

djdjdj28 · Post #9 » by **djdjdj28** » Mon Jan 5, 2009 3:47 pm

This is a stupid thread I think everyone on this board already knew that Eddie House can't play PG. Hell even the Celtics coaches know this. He's there because as of right now he's our best option.

s1ickd · Post #10 » by **s1ickd** » Mon Jan 5, 2009 6:25 pm

I think people are underrating this problem, which is why i started the thread. Not only can Eddie House not play PG, but merely having him in the lineup at the point gaurd screws up everything that the Celtics do well otherwise. I'm not opposed to having him play alongside Pruitt, who would handle the ball on offense and defend 2 gaurds on defense.

Another reason why it's not a stupid thread is because the solution to this problem is still inconclusive. Is Sam Cassel the answer? Is Marbury worth it? Is Pruitt ready? If we had to trade someone, who? Is House worth having around if he's not the backup pg? All valid questions that come with this topic. Thanks for posting if you think this is a stupid thread, I'm not sure why you did.

N-V-da-Green · Post #11 » by **N-V-da-Green** » Mon Jan 5, 2009 7:23 pm

E House at the 1 is painful to watch. He is a good spark off the bench some nights but he is not a championship team's back up point. Y we didnt give T Lue the extra few bucks to run the bench i dont know. This team is horrible when we go to the bench but if we went hard during the offseason to improve our team we wouldnt be losing to GS, and the Kincks. Lue can back up RR, play good team and man D, he can shoot and he can hit FT's. Wow watching E House dribble up the court and jacking up crazy looking shots, and then get beat on D as he reachs is killing me. Yesterday Vs the Knicks he ****'d up tryin to fight PP for a rebound then argue with PP about it while his man jacks up a uncontested 3 was it for me. Can DA please try to work something out and improve this team so we can stop losing to teams that would lose to alot of NCAA teams.

return2glory · Post #12 » by **return2glory** » Mon Jan 5, 2009 8:02 pm

DieselCeltic wrote:Eddie House is not a PG, we all know this. The man can shoot the lights out and thats about it.

But that is the problem. He isn't shooting lights out. He is shooting 39% for the season. When he shots bad, can create for his teammates and is average on defense, it hurts the team.

bceltic55 · Post #13 » by **bceltic55** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 1:32 am

If Marbury comes to the Celtics, we could have House / Tony Allen at the 2 guard depending if we need defense or three point shooting.

Post #14 » by **sully00** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 5:17 pm

It is a bit of a long shot but perhaps the Heat have solved our problems. I think Miami is a much better fit for Marbury than Boston, were his role and mins limited.

They have cut loose Shaun Livingston who seems ready to ball just not quite have the legs to play pg. Boston can afford to cover for Livingston defensively with House and Allen at the point but Livingston would give that unit somebody to distribute and handle the ball. Livingston could find Powe in the post and Baby filling the lane and let Eddie be a catch and shoot guy and safely put Scal back on the bench. He also is 6'7" so he would at least have the length to help on these long SF's who are giving us problems with PIerce out of the game or matched up with KG at the PF. He can't really shoot the 3 but he can knock down the mid range jumper. He may be a year away or may never get back but he isn't completely crazy, or 40 years old. I like Pruitt a lot but I can also buy that he still a year away from championship caliber ball. It might be worth a look.

TheOGJabroni · Post #15 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 5:38 pm

N-V-da-Green wrote:E House at the 1 is painful to watch. He is a good spark off the bench some nights but he is not a championship team's back up point.

Short memory huh? I remember him as the back up "PG" last year as NBA Champs and most people were going insane if they saw Sam put in the game.

sully00 wrote:It is a bit of a long shot but perhaps the Heat have solved our problems. I think Miami is a much better fit for Marbury than Boston, were his role and mins limited.

They have cut loose Shaun Livingston who seems ready to ball just not quite have the legs to play pg. Boston can afford to cover for Livingston defensively with House and Allen at the point but Livingston would give that unit somebody to distribute and handle the ball. Livingston could find Powe in the post and Baby filling the lane and let Eddie be a catch and shoot guy and safely put Scal back on the bench. He also is 6'7" so he would at least have the length to help on these long SF's who are giving us problems with PIerce out of the game or matched up with KG at the PF. He can't really shoot the 3 but he can knock down the mid range jumper. He may be a year away or may never get back but he isn't completely crazy, or 40 years old. I like Pruitt a lot but I can also buy that he still a year away from championship caliber ball. It might be worth a look.

This, I agree with. I have always been a huge fan of Shaun and I think it's about time we give him a shot. Play him at the 1 and Eddie/Tony play the 2. Somehow get a big here to come off the bench and play Tony at 3.

Come Playoff Time our roster will look something like this anyway:

Perk (32) - FA/Trade Big (16)
KG (36) - Powe (12)
Paul (40+) - Tony (8 or less)
Ray (36) - Eddie/TA (pending on what team needs, 12)
Rondo (36+) - Livingston (12)

By then hopefully Livingston will have enough experience to run the offense when Rondo isn't on the floor. Paul will play more minutes during the playoffs, which means TA will play less, so that's a positive and Eddie slides to SG which is his natural position.

Post #16 » by **sully00** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 6:22 pm

Eddie House was awful in the playoffs last season his crappyness was just eventually eclipsed by Sam's crappyness. He was only the backup pg against the Lakers other than that he was pretty much on the shelf most of the post season because he was ice cold. Fans loved him because he wasn't Cassell not because he was good.

TheOGJabroni · Post #17 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 6:34 pm

Obviously he isn't a true PG, but he was good at what he did last year, and he was the back-up PG for the Championship team. All I'm saying is that it is clearly possible to win the Championship with him as our backup "PG". Obviously everyone would like him to slide over to the 2 guard, but that isn't happening right now.

Red2 · Post #18 » by **Red2** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 6:39 pm

I still think Pruitt needs more minutes but he's not a true PG either. Maybe Marbury really could help the second unit. I'd like to see what walker and giddens can do as well. right now we need scal's size but if we could somehow add marbury and a quality big that would go a long way toward shoring up our bench. tony allen, scal,POB, Cassell and even baby to some extent are all dead weight on our bench.