TA - 300th in assists/turnovers ratio

Celts17Pride · Post #1 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 5:00 pm

The bench needs some direction. Tony Allen is a disaster with the ball. He ranks 39th in the NBA in turnovers per 48 minutes (4.1) and 300th in assists/turnovers ratio (.73).

http://www.metrowestdailynews.com/sport ... or-Marbury

Tony Allen 300th in assists/turnovers ratio out of 360 active players in the NBA. That's awful!!

bruno sundov · Post #2 » by **bruno sundov** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 5:05 pm

Thank God otherre starting to think the same way. He and Scal need to find a nice seat at the end of the bench.

LenBiasBaller · Post #3 » by **LenBiasBaller** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 6:32 pm

TA is in the doghouse now...the dude is such a bone head. A game or two ago a ball was slapped away from a player and TA runs after it...it was a pretty easy play if you are not a bone head....so he get to the ball loses balances and of course steps out of bounds. You can see Ray Allen laugh on the bench after the play and motion over to the bench. I am sure ray said something to the effect: "Why is this dumb dude always making dumb ass TO's..."

He is really getting on my nerves right now and he def. let me down at this point because I thought he would actually be a positive filling in for the loss of Posey.

Red2 · Post #4 » by **Red2** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 6:35 pm

yeah , it really looks like he can replace Posey. Nice call Danny. Not signing Posey and re-signing Tony will go down as one of Danny's all time bad moves. TA is too stupid to play in this league

Celts17Pride · Post #5 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 6:39 pm

Tony Allen has one offensive move (after 4+ years) which is dribble right with your head down to the basket. Unfortunately the other 29 teams are aware of his limited offensive repertoire.

Why Pruitt, Walker or Giddens isn't playing instead of him is a head scratcher. I can only hope it means they are trying to move him before the trade deadline.

JR Hawks · Post #6 » by **JR Hawks** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 6:42 pm

Red2 wrote:yeah , it really looks like he can replace Posey. Nice call Danny. Not signing Posey and re-signing Tony will go down as one of Danny's all time bad moves. TA is too stupid to play in this league

But, but, but at least we won't have to pay Posey that 4th year!!!! LOL.

When you're the defending champions, you don't worry about a mid-level salary 4 years from now. You worry about defending the title. Terrible move by Danny or ownership, whichever was behind it.

ryaningf · Post #7 » by **ryaningf** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 7:22 pm

TA's still 60th in the league in Net PER and has been playing the last month on a bad ankle, which he reinjured against the Knicks (and now he'll miss the next two games). And he's been forced to handle the ball more than he should because Eddie House can't do any better. The people who dump on TA for the bench's failure fail to realize that the entire bench has been inconsistent...

Celts17Pride · Post #8 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 7:42 pm

ryaningf wrote:TA's still 60th in the league in Net PER and has been playing the last month on a bad ankle, which he reinjured against the Knicks (and now he'll miss the next two games). And he's been forced to handle the ball more than he should because Eddie House can't do any better. The people who dump on TA for the bench's failure fail to realize that the entire bench has been inconsistent...

Maybe the sixth year is the charm for Tony Allen. :wink:

humblebum · Post #9 » by **humblebum** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 8:00 pm

Who to this point in the season, and I do mean this season (to you Posey jock-riders), has been better than Tony Allen off the bench for the Celtics?

The overall unit, you know that thing called a team, is struggling to get the job done... so since TA spends most of his time with Eddie, Paul, Powe, and Davis those guys must also share in the blame. And Danny and Doc can suffer in the blame as well for not managing/coaching better. But to single out TA is crazy because (like it or not) he's been the best bench player for the Celtics for the majority of the season.

The thing that I am starting to see about Tony is that he really needs to go to another team (a crappier one) where he can further explore his game (he needs A LOT of offensive freedom i.e. the freedom to make mistakes and still get PT)) and build confidence. I don't think TA will necessarily turn into Dwayne Wade overnight but I think he will become a more servicable and consistent player if given a new setting. However a new setting would be something like acquiring Marbury and Joe Smith (though I'm not holding my breath that those players will end up here). Playing alonside those two pros and than Eddie and Powe/Davis... Tony might actually start to perform better individually, and more importantly that second unit would start helping the Celtics win ball games again.

humblebum · Post #10 » by **humblebum** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 8:02 pm

I forgot to mention but I do think that Tony has some value around the league as a slasher/defender. So if he can increase his value a bit more with some better play he might be a possibly semi-valuable trade chip, especially in a package.

LenBiasBaller · Post #11 » by **LenBiasBaller** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 8:07 pm

in no way am I saying DA made a bad move by not signing posey. Way too much money and length on that deal. It not like Posey is a guy you bring off the bench for instant offense. He spread the floor and played smart. def not a creator.

Celts17Pride · Post #12 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 8:07 pm

Classic Tony Allen:

"I re-injured it driving into the middle when I got called for traveling," Tony Allen said after viewing the Celtics' pre-game shootaround at the Time Warner Cable Arena Tuesday.

:lol:

humblebum · Post #13 » by **humblebum** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 8:08 pm

armageddon · Post #14 » by **armageddon** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 8:33 pm

The main reason for signing Tony is that they need tradeable contracts badly. He was willing to take a short term contract (tradeable) and the team doesn't have much in total contract value to match up in a trade.

If you traded the whole bench ($14.8 mil) you could get one max salary player in return. Tony's only $2.5 mil but it helps.

GuyClinch · Post #15 » by **GuyClinch** » Tue Jan 6, 2009 10:34 pm

Assist to turnovers isn't all that. It's more a sign that TA isn't working in his element and being asked to do too much creating in our second unit offense. PP makes quite a few turnovers as well. It's a problem for swingman who handle the ball. PP gets the luxury of playing with a real PG though - and TA often does not..

Banks2Pierce · Post #16 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Wed Jan 7, 2009 12:03 am

Tony was playing better than Posey last year up until he tweaked his ankle. Lately, he has been playing terribly.

Celts17Pride · Post #17 » by **Celts17Pride** » Wed Jan 7, 2009 1:21 am

Banks2Pierce wrote:Tony was playing better than Posey last year up until he tweaked his ankle.

What Tony were you watching?

GuyClinch · Post #18 » by **GuyClinch** » Wed Jan 7, 2009 6:21 am

Hopefully Tony comes back and all his haters can crawl back into their hole and pretend they never dogged him. But yeah since his ankle injury he has been garbage. I think he will look alot better by the time Starbury gets here to set him up..