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It's sounds pretty offical that the only reasons that Giddens and Walker were called up were for medical treaments. I was happy that they were coming up and suprised as well. I didn't figure them to be called up until possible after the all-star game. We should have known that Doc doesn't have much faith in the young guys(POB, Walker, Giddens, and Pruitt).

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I guess will have to wait it out some more and hope Davis, Powe, House, TA and Scal can get their games right.

And the reason Doc played Rondo, Powe and Davis so much last season was because they were 10 year pros? Oh wait, maybe Doc has faith in young guys. Although I suppose we can call Perk an old fart, he's already 23.

No coach throws a bunch of inexperienced or rookie 2'nd round draft picks out to win a championship. These guys all fell so far because they're not ready.

Outside of PGA, House, and Scalabrine, all our guys are young guys. Powe, TA, Baby, Walker, Pruitt, Giddens, Rondo, POB, and Perkins are all under 26. What's your point?

The guys off the bench aren't getting it done. So why not give Pruitt, POB, and Walker or Giddens some minutes and shake things up?

Just give them a chance, please. Play them at SG/SF, so they can bring some athleticism and life to the second unit.

Doc will always be one of those coaches who love vets. Players like Courtney Lee, George Hill, and Mario Chalmers would be in the D-league if Doc was coaching them. It's almost as if he doesn't realize young guys have to play to gain experience.

The only reason BBD got minutes last year is because we needed him to play center.

I agree with man_up

I hope we don't trade them until we know their full capabilities. This remind me of Joe Johnson. I think Doc is the only coach in the NBA that is very stubborn when playing young guys. You cannot expect a guy to come in and play with similar confidence like the starters if he only plays 5 mins per game.

Doc's job is to win a championship not develop young players, though he has proven to be as capable at that as any coach in the league.

Tony Allen makes Giddens essentially useless as a rotation player they are the same guy at this point. Walker is the one of the two that is probably worth a look because he brings some things we just don't have.

Powe still seems terribly ineffective against bigger, stronger guys and essentially has a centers game, it is not a great combo.

O'Bryant has his moments but it is still one out of 5 plays why should Doc play him more until he is good more often?

No reason for Pruitt not to play more he looks like he gets it now and does some good things.

Baby is consistent, consistently horrible offensively but at least he brings it every night and either he will start knocking down shots or be gone soon enough.

return2glory wrote: The guys off the bench aren't getting it done. So why not give Pruitt, POB, and Walker or Giddens some minutes and shake things up?

Because none of your foursome are good enough, right now.

POB may be very good, in 2011.
His problem is physical. He's 22, and doesn't have the physical
development to play the C position, yet.
So, he fouls excessively, like 11 per 36 minutes.
He also commits about 7 turnovers per 36 minutes.
It will be two years before those drop to the reasonable range.

Pruitt is shooting abysmally. The ball doesn't go in.
Last year or this year. 29% from 3, 34% overall.

Giddens may take a while to figure out the NBA game, he's not the quickest of learners.
Once he does figure it out, there should be a Tony Allen like player there.
But the Celtics already have Tony, who can at least defend and run the plays like he's asked.

And Walker, well, at 21 he has "potential."
Potential to be good in 2011, I'd say, just like Paddy O'Bryant.

Jammer wrote:

return2glory wrote: The guys off the bench aren't getting it done. So why not give Pruitt, POB, and Walker or Giddens some minutes and shake things up?

Because none of your foursome are good enough, right now.
POB may be very good, in 2011.
His problem is physical. He's 22, and doesn't have the physical
development to play the C position, yet.
So, he fouls excessively, like 11 per 36 minutes.
He also commits about 7 turnovers per 36 minutes.
It will be two years before those drop to the reasonable range.

Pruitt is shooting abysmally. The ball doesn't go in.
Last year or this year. 29% from 3, 34% overall.

Giddens may take a while to figure out the NBA game, he's not the quickest of learners.
Once he does figure it out, there should be a Tony Allen like player there.
But the Celtics already have Tony, who can at least defend and run the plays like he's asked.

And Walker, well, at 21 he has "potential."
Potential to be good in 2011, I'd say, just like Paddy O'Bryant.

And none of the 4 in House, TA, Davis, and Powe are good enough either. The only difference is these 4 have been given the chances, and haven't done much amd POB, Pruitt, Walker, and Giddens have not. I'm not calling for all 4 of these guys to be in at the same time. I'm justing saying that they should be given a chance until we actually make some moves in the next 3-5 weeks.

Return2Glory

They have a chance every time this team practices which isn't that often in the NBA. They can't outplay the guys in front of them on their own team but you think they would be better in an NBA game? Why? They are losing games it actually isn't a great time to just shake things up. Playing .500 ball is a good time to shake things up adding up but bunch of guys to the rotation who don't know how to execute the sets on either end is not going to help the guys who are struggling and hurt to play better, especially when you don't have the practice time to work them in.

return2glory wrote:Outside of PGA, House, and Scalabrine, all our guys are young guys. Powe, TA, Baby, Walker, Pruitt, Giddens, Rondo, POB, and Perkins are all under 26. What's your point?

The guys off the bench aren't getting it done. So why not give Pruitt, POB, and Walker or Giddens some minutes and shake things up?

TA just turned 27, but your point is valid: our bench is woefully young (TA's 27 is a young 27 to be sure). But replacing woefully young with terminally young doesn't seem to be a step in the right direction. Sure, I'd love to see Walker and Giddens get a few games to see if their youthful enthusiasm could jump start a few runs, but on a bench of young players it would probably backfire to add younger players. What we need is an infusion of veteran-ness and THEN we could start talking about playing Giddens and Walker in short stretches. Whatever the case, we need to fix one of the two main issues of the 2nd team before the rooks get any time: either we add a point (or Pruitt gets a grip on the 2nd unit PG spot) or we add a veteran big man. Last season, we got by with House's stylings at poiny guard because we had a bunch of veterans around him to bail him out if he decided to dribble the shot clock out or chuck a contested 3--we don't that this season and that's why House is in danger of losing playing time. Whatever the case, we need to shore up the 2nd team shortcomings before we can have a serious discussion about playing Walker or Giddens.

That said, if Paul is out tonight, and TA is still hampered by the ankle, there's no good reason not to activate Walker for just tonight and see if he can help.

The difference between both these players and TA is the fact that both of them can shoot the ball outside of 15feet and both can actually handle the ball at a controlled pace....instead of 100mph into defenders directly to the basket.