Anyone check out a T-Wolves Box Score Lately?

[theman]

Starters Min FG 3Pt FT +/- Off Reb Ast TO Stl BS BA PF Pts
R. Foye G 30:06 4-12 2-4 1-1 -2 0 2 2 1 0 0 1 3 11
S. Telfair G 28:35 5-11 2-5 5-7 +3 0 3 11 5 1 0 1 2 17
A. Jefferson C 32:09 8-20 0-0 4-7 -10 3 7 2 2 1 0 1 6 20
R. Gomes F 31:10 4-8 2-2 6-6 +3 1 3 1 1 0 0 0 3 16
C. Smith F 12:31 1-3 0-0 0-0 -7 1 3 0 1 0 0 0 0 2
Bench Min FG 3Pt FT +/- Off Reb Ast TO Stl BS BA PF Pts
R. Carney 30:02 7-11 4-6 4-5 +8 1 3 1 1 0 1 0 1 22
K. Love 22:36 2-4 0-0 1-2 +9 3 12 1 1 1 0 0 1 5
M. Miller 16:24 3-8 2-4 0-0 +5 2 5 2 1 0 0 1 2 8
B. Cardinal 12:26 1-2 1-1 2-2 +1 0 0 3 1 0 0 1 3 5
J. Collins DNP - Coach's Decision
M. Madsen DNP - Coach's Decision
R. McCants DNP - Coach's Decision

Four of their five starters were acquired in the KG trade. How can anyone still argue they got nothing in that trade. Granted it would look better if they had a winning record but still four starters.

[lojowo]

2007-07-31 Celtics Kevin Garnett Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Theo Ratliff, Ryan Gomes, Sebastian Telfair, 2009 first round pick (top 3 protected) (?-?), 2009 first round pick (?-?), cash trade with Timberwolves

Foye wasnt part of the Garnett deal, he was drafted a year earlier.

[DorfonCeltics]

Still 3 out of 4 aint bad. Too bad the Wolves aren't very good so everyone in the league will still think that we got a gift from McHale. Bottom line, is Miny got some really good assets in that trade.

[FakeScreenName123]

Yeah. and the thing that bothers me the most is the DNP for Mark Madsen. What the **** is up with that?

[Zin5]

They got the best young big man that was offered to them, another couple solid starters, and cap relief from sending us KG. Memphis only got a solid starter and cap relief for giving up Pau to the Lakers, but seemingly the general consensus is to speak of the two trades in the same breath or to talk about how McHale is incompetent and wanted to do us a favor while Wallace is just incompetent.

[tombattor]

Of course they got something. Al Jefferson is a budding allstar. He may not make it this year, but it won't be long before he's a regular. Let's be honest about the other pieces though. Yeah, they make for good role players/starters on below average teams, but the prize was Big Al.

But you always have to give up something to get something and I still say we got the better end of the deal, but Minny did the best they could. You can do a lot worse than getting a young, big-time post player to build around.

[Zin5]

2007-07-31 Celtics Kevin Garnett Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Theo Ratliff, Ryan Gomes, Sebastian Telfair, 2009 first round pick (top 3 protected) (?-?), 2009 first round pick (?-?), cash trade with Timberwolves

Foye wasnt part of the Garnett deal, he was drafted a year earlier.

You can actually make an argument that he was part of the deal, since we gave up Foye's pick (Portland then relayed him to Minnesota for Roy) in order to get Theo's expiring and Sebatian Telfair. That's stretching it a bit too much for my taste though.

[Zin5]

Of course they got something. Al Jefferson is a budding allstar. He may not make it this year, but it won't be long before he's a regular. Let's be honest about the other pieces though. Yeah, they make for good role players/starters on below average teams, but the prize was Big Al.

But you always have to give up something to get something and I still say we got the better end of the deal, but Minny did the best they could. You can do a lot worse than getting a young, big-time post player to build around.

In five years, when KG's on the outs or retired, when Big Al's a perennial 20+ and 10+ all star, when Minnesota's a perennial playoff team, and when most fans have forgotten about the championships we won with KG, the popular opinion will be that McHale either got a fair return or the better end of the deal. Overall, we'll all say we got the better end of it, but at that point, considering the fan's 'what have you done for me lately' perception, they'll think otherwise.

[tombattor]

In five years, when KG's on the outs or retired, when Big Al's a perennial 20+ and 10+ all star, when Minnesota's a perennial playoff team, and when most fans have forgotten about the championships we won with KG, the popular opinion will be that McHale either got a fair return or the better end of the deal. Overall, we'll all say we got the better end of it, but at that point, considering the fan's 'what have you done for me lately' perception, they'll think otherwise.

True, but until they win a title, we got the better deal.

[ParticleMan]

i don't think either team got the better deal. it was win-win. minny w/KG wasn't going anywhere, and Pierce w/o KG wasn't going anywhere. we got a title, which means we did well, and minny got 3 quality NBA starters, which means they did well considering that KG was going to leave soon anyways.

[Worm Guts]

i don't think either team got the better deal. it was win-win. minny w/KG wasn't going anywhere, and Pierce w/o KG wasn't going anywhere. we got a title, which means we did well, and minny got 3 quality NBA starters, which means they did well considering that KG was going to leave soon anyways.

I have a hard time considering Gomes and Telfair quality NBA starters.

[theman]

The jury is still out on Telfair and will be for a while. Point guard is the hardest position to learn.

Gomes is a quality starter. Not an all star but he can start on most teams. He has started 32 of 36 games this year, 74 of 82 last year, and 60 of 73 his last season in the league. He will will never be an all star but he will be a guy like Bruce Bowen (different game but), will have a long career probably starting for many different teams.

[theman]

2007-07-31 Celtics Kevin Garnett Al Jefferson, Gerald Green, Theo Ratliff, Ryan Gomes, Sebastian Telfair, 2009 first round pick (top 3 protected) (?-?), 2009 first round pick (?-?), cash trade with Timberwolves

Foye wasnt part of the Garnett deal, he was drafted a year earlier.

You can actually make an argument that he was part of the deal, since we gave up Foye's pick (Portland then relayed him to Minnesota for Roy) in order to get Theo's expiring and Sebatian Telfair. That's stretching it a bit too much for my taste though.

Woops, Sorry about that. I knew he was our property for about five minutes. Minny gets our pick this year right?

[Worm Guts]

The jury is still out on Telfair and will be for a while. Point guard is the hardest position to learn.

Gomes is a quality starter. Not an all star but he can start on most teams. He has started 32 of 36 games this year, 74 of 82 last year, and 60 of 73 his last season in the league. He will will never be an all star but he will be a guy like Bruce Bowen (different game but), will have a long career probably starting for many different teams.

He's a starter, but he's not a quality starter. It think there's a difference. I don't think he starts on most team, only a few.

[stiles21]

I have been watching the T-wolves a little since that trade and in their 5 game streak Telfair has been a big part of that. He's looking like he's starting to get it.

[Kids Are Alright]

having a real hard time imagining the perennial playoff team w/o some good draft players coming aboard

[Zin5]

Gomes still has the same interpretation that he and West had here: That whatever team they're on is a good team when they're coming off the bench. I take back what I said about him and Telfair being a solid starter. Gomes is only a starter on a bad team or on a team where there is a situation ideal for him to start at, such as what West has in Cleveland. Telfair is actually what the T'Wolves could really use behind Foye. Start Foye at the point, then spell him to the off-guard and have Telfair come off the bench for about 20 minutes at the point.

Gomes would be our best bench player, but that's not saying much given our bench. He's a good/great 7th or 8th man on any team and as we've found out, having a good or at least competent bench can do wonders, so he's still a plus for them in the deal as he should be a mainstay of that bench for a while.

[Zin5]

having a real hard time imagining the perennial playoff team w/o some good draft players coming aboard

I'd say they're one good piece/player and a couple years of development away from starting to be legit playoff contenders. They're going to start to rise as teams like Phoenix, Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio begin to fall out of contention. They've shown flashes of being able to be a good team now or down the road at least, such as their current win streak.

[Jammer]

You must be in love with some of these guys.

The players sent to Minnesota have glaring shortcomings.

Theo Ratliff is done.
Sebustian Telfailure is one of the worst shooters in the NBA, out of 134 players
who have taken 100 shots this season, Telfailure is the worst chucker of them,
and plays the position that Minnesota most needs to upgrade
(point guard is by far Minnesota's biggest weakness,
imagine 48 minutes of Glen Davis at center, yep).

Gerald Green was a tease whose time had come.

Ryan Gomes is a great guy, great teammate, and not a Championship quality backup.
His defense is just not there, at either forward spot, to compete
with Cleveland or the Lakers.

And Al Jefferson is a future All-Star with glaring defensive shortcomings,
even though he's 6' 8.5" true height. He's no where near KG at the defensive end.
And against the giants of Cleveland and Lakers Al is less effective than he is against the
rest of the league.

The Celtics got the better of the deal.

But Minny got a $3 million check, saved $2 million in salary last year,
saved another ton of salary this year with Ratliff and Green gone,
and has the Celtics pick this spring, along with a
centerpiece in Al Jefferson and two nice bench players in Telfair and Gomes.

It was a great trade for Boston, and a solidly good trade for Minnesota.

[Mahoney_jr]

I think the Wolves got the best package they got offered to this time (by far). But Telfair and Gomes aren't quality starters. Please... on respectable teams they are bench players. Gomes is a nice bench player, while I preserve my judgement on Telfair until further notice.