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would a line up change help?
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 4:56 pm
by buckshomehere
would this work? why/why not! do you have a line up change that would work better and why?
pruitt 16 rondo 32
ray 34 house 14
powe 14 pierce 34
kg 34 powe 4 scalabrine 10
perk 32 davis 8 pob 8
minutes are played in order!
1st qt
pruitt 6 rondo 6
ray 8 house 4
powe 6 pierce 6
kg 8 scal 4
perk 8 davis 4
2nd
rondo 8 pruitt 4
ray 10 house 2
pierce 10 powe 2
scal 4 kg 8
perk 8 pob 4
3rd
pruitt 4 rondo 8
ray 8 house 4
pierce 8 powe 4
kg 8 scal 4
perk 8 davis 4
4th
pruittt 2 rondo 10
house 4 ray 8
powe 2 pierce 10
scal 2 kg 10
pob 4 perk 8
why?
1. the bench needs help and were stacked @ the starting 5 "split it up alittle"
2. each of the big three get 2-go-2 work more and we still play the original starters together plenty!
3. pierce is a lock for 6th man and will dominate 2nd units including our own!
4. yes powe @ sf give it a chance even though he has no jumper given the fact that he will be in with
pf who play outside with long jumpers (kg) and (scal) it will work well - he will dominate sf inside on
offense. as far as defense he may be alittle slow but i think he can make it up with length and intensity.
5. our weakest parts of the bench does not play any long stretches and still they participate and give the
starters there rest
6. rondo is great hes paired with plenty of outside options letting him drive and create or score
( outside shooting weakness is no longer an issue for rondo or celtics )
7. we develop pruitt given the chance and boost in confidence he may suprise!
8. ditto with powe starting without starter minutes could be very effective ( maybe give him more time from
scal,davis,pob)
9. 4th quarter slumps not with this line-up ( plenty of time for starters to get going )
10. original starting 5 still play 2o minutes together ( all 5 ) some more (gpa together = 24 )
bonus
if were blowing teams out at the satrt of 4th quarter and starters dont have to play they avg
rondo 22
ray 26
paul 24
kg 24
perk 24
Re: would a line up change help?
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:20 pm
by celticpride50
No! Pierce is our best player and captain, no way he comes off the bench. Powe can't play SF-no jumper and would get burned on defense. rondo has to play majority of his minutes with the starters becuase that's the only way he's effeective; that's because the defense can't focus on shutting him down. maybe throw in tony for ray when he's healthy. Tony is a very good player when he doesn't have to be "the guy" If Ray plays with the likes of house, pruitt, powe, and baby he would make that lineup so much better. It would give us 2 very good and 1 great 3 shooter which would open the inside for baby and powe to work easier and clean up the boards, which is their specialty.
Re: would a line up change help?
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:54 pm
by TheOGJabroni
Powe starting at the 3...what?
The only thing I want to see is POB get the starts while Perk is out just to see how he would do. But Doc likes Scal against Bargs so I'm guessing he'll like him against Yi as well. Although I hope since Brook Lopez is bulkier than Bosh, KG won't want to guard him and will guard Yi instead, and have POB start to guard Brook instead. But I fear if that's the case, we will most likely see Baby start rather than POB

Re: would a line up change help?
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:22 pm
by lojowo
You cant have Powe at the 3- offensively or defensively.
I have no issue with who your playing where other then that.
My ideas have been similair but with this one rule:
Dont play 1 starter with 4 subs unless your up by double digits.
Meaning no more Ray Allen and the bench out there.
Would love to see Starters in for the first 6 of the 1st quarter and 3rd quarter and the last 6 minutes of the game.
Total of 18 minutes per starters
The other 30 minutes I would love to have 2 of KG, Ray, Pierce, and Rondo out there with 2 or 3 bench players.
Perk plays based on the best low post scoring threat being out there.
30 minutes times 2 slots divided by 4 players is 15 minutes each
18 starter minutes plus 15 minutes with the bench is 33 minutes a game for KG, RA , PP and Rondo.
You can reduce starter minutes while bringing the bench along.
Re: would a line up change help?
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:24 pm
by ParticleMan
LMAO.
If our bench sucks, the LAST thing we want to do is make our bench players into starters.
That would mean our starters would now suck, which is, umm, EVEN WORSE.
i know that's a difficult concept, but think about it for a while, you'll get it.
Re: would a line up change help?
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:49 pm
by Willie Beamen
ParticleMan wrote:LMAO.
If our bench sucks, the LAST thing we want to do is make our bench players into starters.
That would mean our starters would now suck, which is, umm, EVEN WORSE.
i know that's a difficult concept, but think about it for a while, you'll get it.
I agree! First we have the best starting 5 IMO in the league. Why mess with that? What I would suggest is to cut down the playing time of starter but do not change the starting line-up. The first thing I would do is sub Rondo and Perk for Pruitt and Powe at or around the 4 minute mark in the first quarter........Starting the 2nd Quarter go with a line-up of Pruitt, Ray, Paul, Baby and Powe...So we should rest KG at the start of the 2nd Quarter....... Around the 6 minute mark in the 2nd quarter come with Rondo, House, TA or Walker, KG and Perk......As you can see each starter will get a 6 minute game time break......At the same time we still have atlease two starters on the court at all times.
Re: would a line up change help?
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:11 pm
by Kids Are Alright
bosFcelts wrote:Powe starting at the 3...what?
The only thing I want to see is POB get the starts while Perk is out just to see how he would do. But Doc likes Scal against Bargs so I'm guessing he'll like him against Yi as well. Although I hope since Brook Lopez is bulkier than Bosh, KG won't want to guard him and will guard Yi instead, and have POB start to guard Brook instead. But I fear if that's the case, we will most likely see Baby start rather than POB

Probably 5 fouls in 5 minutes if garbage time (not a lot of that lately), is any indication...or he won't play any D, which means he won't get minutes at all.
Re: would a line up change help?
Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:53 pm
by buckshomehere
thank you for your input !
here r some of my remarks to your comments
1. who do we have to play behind paul ? who does play behind paul ?
2. so many nba players play out of there natural positions is powe realy a legit pf or center?
3. rondo still gets most of his minutes with the original starters
4. i know paul coming of the bench is crazy but i think it works for the team and himself!
5. pruitt and powe playing the first 6 min of the 1 st quarter makes them starters by definition only
plus there gonna play the 1st quarter anyway usually ( if doc recognized pruitt which he will )
6. i love scal but if he can guard sm fowards so can powe and maybe better and offensively with kg
lurking @ 18 ft powe could easily back down sf for baskets
7. some say making our bench starters - would weaken our starting lineup i dont think powe and pruitt in 6 minutes would hurt that much and would def be balanced by our first unit playing against some 2nd units if other teams allowed this!
8. im sick of the traditional im gonna be a starter because i make more money or because of stature. bball is a team sport that must be played a full 48 minutes , by playing our weak ass bench together for long stretches allows other teams to dominate building confidence leading to wins . without a doubt pp ,ra ,kg,kp,rr, all deserve starting rolls - but this team has already shown they are willing to sacrifice for wins and rings. to me when i played ball starting meant nothing compared to finishing!!!
powerful starting 5 with a weak ass bench vs very good starters with very good bench hmmmm !