Patrick O'Bryant and DeAndre Jordan

campybatman · Post #1 » by **campybatman** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 12:51 am

Do you think Jordan will pan out more so than O'Bryant? Would you've selected him instead of Giddens?

Considering that the Clippers are battling injuries, I doubt they'll be open to trading him nor might Boston have any players they like. Still, if he were available before the trade deadline, what would you offer the Clippers for him?

DeAndre Jordan and Brian Skinner in exchange for Glen Davis, Bill Walker and Patrick O'Bryant works on the Checker.

DeAndre Jordan

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/DeA ... rdan-1072/

greenbeans · Post #2 » by **greenbeans** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 12:59 am

No way in hell they trade him. And he's already done more this season than Paddy ever has

Zin5 · Post #3 » by **Zin5** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 1:03 am

After Batum went off the board, I really, really wanted Jordan. He was in a short list of players, along with Walker, that I would have been disappointed if the C's didn't pick from. I feel better about the Giddens pick now (not by much), but I think even higher of Jordan than I did of him at draft time. He wouldn't have made an impact on our team this year, but neither has JR.

chakdaddy · Post #4 » by **chakdaddy** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 1:12 am

I don't know why we passed him up after he fell into our laps, and chose to take 2 redundant guys in Giddens/Walker. We could use that extra roster spot...

Zin5 · Post #5 » by **Zin5** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 1:33 am

chakdaddy wrote:I don't know why we passed him up after he fell into our laps, and chose to take 2 redundant guys in Giddens/Walker. We could use that extra roster spot...

Same reason every other team in the league passed on him at least once. He had some serious question marks about his character, along with poor measurables in workouts and didn't produce in college. However, a guy with his size and athleticism (still impressive, despite the fact they were less than expected at workouts) rarely slips to the second round. I thought higher of CDR and Walker at the time as players, but given our need for a legit big and how rare they are, I just don't think we should have passed him up.

campybatman · Post #6 » by **campybatman** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 1:49 am

greenbeans wrote:No way in hell they trade him. And he's already done more this season than Paddy ever has

I'm just curious since Kaman will return eventually. If so, wouldn't Jordan go back down the depth chart. Randolph and Camby are back...

7seventynine9 · Post #7 » by **7seventynine9** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 2:49 am

With the way Big Baby is playing, I wouldnt move him for Jordan. If we were rebuilding, sure.

cisco · Post #8 » by **cisco** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 3:01 am

7seventynine9 wrote:With the way Big Baby is playing, I wouldnt move him for Jordan. If we were rebuilding, sure.

I agree

Btw, I don't think POB did a bad job tonight. He was ok.

Rocky5000 · Post #9 » by **Rocky5000** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 3:05 am

All I wanted in the draft was a 7 foot project.
McGee, Speights, and Jordan were my targets. Haven't seen any of Giddens besides preseason, so I don't know where he's at.

campybatman · Post #10 » by **campybatman** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 4:30 am

Yeah, but isn't it the point to build up the value of your young players if you're Boston. Who's more hotter than House and Davis among the reserves? I mean the talk from the past month or so was that Boston lacks any desirable trade pieces. If Jordan or another young and taller center were available, I'll do it.

People keep forgetting that both Powe and Davis have expiring contracts this season. I don't see Ainge resigning both of them considering the similarities in their role on the team.

rambo_ortega · Post #11 » by **rambo_ortega** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 9:00 am

maybe our eyes were set on POB or a free agent big who could help right away which we didn't really get. He was actually my 1st round pick when it was our turn..

BillessuR6 · Post #12 » by **BillessuR6** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 9:51 am

When we picked I wanted Jordan or Walker. I knew nothing about Giddens but I understand why Danny picked him. At that time he expected to resign Posey and not TA and probably not even House, so we needed a "new Tony".

If Danny knew how free agency turned out I think he would have gone with a different player.

And, yes, I do think Jordan will be better than POB. But that isn`t really saying much...

Red2 · Post #13 » by **Red2** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 3:07 pm

I wanted us to take a big man as well but at the time of the draft Danny had a pretty good idea we would lose Posey and Tony ALlen coming back was far from a sure thing so Danny went into the draft thinking he need wing players. I think he thought that between giddens and walker that one of them would pan out and help the team this year. But with Tony coming back and Gabe emerging in training camp there was less need for giddens and walker plus giddens held out and was behind from the beginning. Then Scal came on and started to do some of the things posey had done and walker and giddens became garbage time players. So in hindsight Danny should have grabbed a big man with the giddens pick and then grabbed walker where he did. I'm not even sure that Giddens was going to be drafted considering his baggage. We might have gotten him as a free agent. Anyhow, the kid has some upside apparently and if he and walker progress then Danny will have more "chips" to use.

greenbeans · Post #14 » by **greenbeans** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 4:41 pm

bonsaiflipflops wrote:
greenbeans wrote:No way in hell they trade him. And he's already done more this season than Paddy ever has

I'm just curious since Kaman will return eventually. If so, wouldn't Jordan go back down the depth chart. Randolph and Camby are back...

For sure, they're stacked in the frontcourt and someon will have to go sooner or later, but I see them holding onto Jordan as the key cog for the future. But hey, they are the Clips so there's definitely a possibility

chakdaddy · Post #15 » by **chakdaddy** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 10:18 pm

Red2 wrote:I wanted us to take a big man as well but at the time of the draft Danny had a pretty good idea we would lose Posey and Tony ALlen coming back was far from a sure thing so Danny went into the draft thinking he need wing players.

But *two* wing players? I think he was just going back to the well and stockpiling asssets regardless of position - but that strategy should be limited somewhat when you have limited roster spots and are trying to win a title this year!

To be fair, Jordan's had 2 good games, and in one of them he gave up 42 to Bynum.

campybatman · Post #16 » by **campybatman** » Wed Feb 4, 2009 10:40 pm

It would be ideal to give Clifford Ray another young center to groom. You gave hims something with Jefferson and Perkins. But, with O'Bryant, I wonder if Ray believed he got short changed. I don't know, maybe O'Bryant is meant to be a power forward because he seems unable to gain weight to play center regularly. He looks thin for 250 lbs. or so.

I believe Ainge's best route is to go young and develop a center since a veteran is going to be tough and pricey to acquire via trade.

return2glory · Post #17 » by **return2glory** » Thu Feb 5, 2009 7:50 pm

In all fairness to POB, he hasn't gotten a chance to play. There hasn't been one game this season where he has played more than 12 minutes in a game, much less 25-30. POB plays for the World Championships. Jordan plays for the Clippers, enough said.

Jordan has also had more opportunitise to play because Camby and Kaman have been hurt. So it's unfair to compare POB to DeAndre unless he is given the play playing time. The only thing getting in the way of POB is himself. If he can work hard and have some determination, he will become a good player, if not he will be bounced from team to team or out of the leadue in a few years.

Post #18 » by **sully00** » Thu Feb 5, 2009 10:15 pm

I have been pretty pleased with O'Bryant over the last month I think he is starting to get it defensively and using his length. He is much more talented offensive player than Jordan. Usually you make excuses for a players defensive stats because of a lack of opportunity but this guy has played 15% of his teams mins and apparently he turns everyone into Kareem.

http://www.82games.com/0809/08LAC17.HTM

I know Bynum did a number on him but damn.

I don't know what people have seen in Jordan besides being young and big. It would seem he is 4 years away from really becoming a player while a O'Bryant is a year or two away.

I am no fan of the Giddens pick but I don't think Boston would have made it better with a guy who is a 4 year project. That we do not have a roster spot for. I wanted Walker and would have liked a big but I don't think we would have gotten one who is any better than O'Bryant in that part of the draft.

I just keep hoping we drafted Giddens for someone else.

BillessuR6 · Post #19 » by **BillessuR6** » Thu Feb 5, 2009 10:24 pm

What drives me crazy with POB is his defense. Whenever he switches he stays on the player and doesn`t return to his man...

Post #20 » by **sully00** » Thu Feb 5, 2009 10:52 pm

thebirdman wrote:What drives me crazy with POB is his defense. Whenever he switches he stays on the player and doesn`t return to his man...

I haven't noticed what you are talking about under what circumstance would he switch back to his man?