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Ok... I slept on it and here's mornings thoughts before I leave the house.....Pau 1 foul.....KG fouls out..and as we all know the foul call was terrible....only the 2nd time this year (Cleve game was the 1st... funny huh) but I digress....My question is this.....Would the Refs foul out Kobe in LA in a game like this????? I say no.....the proof and I have not checked it, I guess it is in the stats somewhere.




DIscuss is or not.....

If Kobe or Lebron had 5 fouls in any game they could punch someone in the face and the refs would say they didn't see it. I mean really, when have you ever seen one of them foul out of a game considering how physical both are on both ends of the floor. I hate to admit this, last year the world wanted to see Lakers -Celtics, this year I think they are pushing for Kobe and Lebron.

that's 2 games in a row where we've been hosed by the refs. we were lucky to pull out the philly game after the non-call on Pierce but last night we weren't so lucky. I thought the worst non-call last night was Pierce being leveled in OT with no call. How does that happen and 2 games in a row no less. I haven't seen a replay of the ray allen shot but if it were Kobe and oh, let's say TOny ALlen, you know Kobe would be shooting 3 shots. I think if Ray hadn't been off balance and had gotten off something looking more like a normal shot he could have sold the foul but that's the whole point isn't it. ie that the reason his shot looked so bas was BECAUSE he was fouled. I can't figure out if we don't get calls because : 1) we yap too much and lead the league in technicals 2) we're perceived as arrogant ( variation on the 1st reason) 3) we're the champs and on a 12 game winning streak so it's ok to even it up or 4) the refs are just plain bad. Reason 4 though doesn't explain why there was a non-call on Pierce in the Philly game and again last night. Refs usually know when they make a bad call and they try to make it up but usually it's not an even exchange and by the time they rectify it the damage is done. The garnett foul-out was ridiculous, It was a loose ball and he was the first one to it.99% of the time that call goes to the guy who gets there first. Even forgetting that you don't foul a a superstar out of the marquee game of the year on a ticky tacky bs call. If you're going to make that call and be consistent then you HAVE to call a foul on fisher at the end and you have to call afoul when Pierce gets knocked to the ground going to the basket. I don't mind that the lakers borrowed a page from our book and played physical but don't allow them to play physical but not allow us to do the same. After all is said and done it was a one point loss in a game that we should have won in regulation and again in OT. Refs aside, we turned the ball over way too much and we didn't hit free thows or shots when we had to

I'm sorry, KG is due for a Foul-Out. I know it's a tired argument, but he is definitely the dirtiest celtic player right now. He sneaks unnecessary pushes and shoves all the time, and the refs never call it. The way KG has been playing, if the refs actually paid attention to it, I have no doubt he would foul out in every single game. That 6th foul against KG is clear as day. The ball got loose, Fisher was there first, and KG (intentionally or unintentionally) pushed off D-Fish with his hand. He's been shoving people all night, including one play in which Kobe missed a layup and KG shoved him from behind, but obviously nobody sawr (boston?..lol) it.

Now I saw the game up in the balcony, so I couldn't see the claim that Pau might have slapped KG's arm to knock the ball loose. That could've been a foul too if the refs saw it, but KG clearly fouled D-Fish after that. Even from up there where I was sitting, it was clear.

About the 3-second last play, no way the refs are gonna call that. Allen clearly flopped too. Now, to those who say the Lakers always get the benefit of the last second play, go watch the final minute of the second Orlando-Laker game, in which Jameer Nelson kicked D-Fish while attempting a desperation shot and got the foul (And 1). That was a stinger. Funny how Fisher is always involved in a controversial call..lol.

Anyway, props to Rondo and Paul Pierce; they played pretty well. Rondo was slashing and getting open layups and Lakers had no answer for him. Pierce definitely locked down Kobe during Crunch Time. And I would say that Pierce is definitely a Top 3 clutch player in the NBA today. Without him, the Celtics would lose many close games. I would say Kobe was Kobe by hitting those killer 3's at the end, but I think there's some luck there. Plus, he hogged the ball way too much during the second half.

In the end though, Celtics got a big break from the horrendous FT shooting of the Lakers. In general, the Lakers aren't the best FT shooting teams anyway, but today they're just bad. Kobe went from a 20-20 FT performance in NY to this? If the Lakers made their FT's, this game would'nt have been close.

Great game!

celticsnut wrote:If Kobe or Lebron had 5 fouls in any game they could punch someone in the face and the refs would say they didn't see it.

In a game just last week against the Bobcats Kobe fouled out with about 2 minutes left in regulation for an absolute touch foul. So there goes that theory huh?? Go watch it if you don't believe me.

When you're Kobe or LeBron you EARN the respect from the refs. That's why they can get away with things like you're talking about. KG is not Kobe or LeBron. I accept this.

Kefa461 wrote:Ok... I slept on it and here's mornings thoughts before I leave the house.....Pau 1 foul.....KG fouls out..and as we all know the foul call was terrible....only the 2nd time this year (Cleve game was the 1st... funny huh) but I digress....My question is this.....Would the Refs foul out Kobe in LA in a game like this????? I say no.....the proof and I have not checked it, I guess it is in the stats somewhere.




DIscuss is or not.....

Come on Kefa, you of all posters.
But FYI yes, Kobe has fouled out of games when the game was on the line.
Just recently on a Ticky tack call against the Bobcats, and we did endup losing that game.

i dont get these LA fans.

It's like we clearly have to point things out to them because they decide to homerize .gifs on the internets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NXSifuJrlM

HERE, GOD DAMN

pballa wrote:i dont get these LA fans.

It's like we clearly have to point things out to them because they decide to homerize .gifs on the internets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NXSifuJrlM

HERE, GOD DAMN

You know and I know the reffs arent going to decide a game like this specially with a few seconds left on the clock with a ticky tack call.
There was bad calls the enitre game and me personally felt that the Lakers did get more ticky tack calls than the Cs did specially in the 4qt, and it didnt come down to this last play and if it did then the pick by big baby was a moving screen when the ball was inbounded.
Also you can clearly see that Ray slid a few inches before he realeased his shot.
Now if that's what you and other Cs fan like to do by not giving credit to where credit is due, then fine I can except that, but the game wasnt called fairly on both ends.
Note, when the Lakers lost last year there was a lot of bad calls specially in game 2 and 4, yet if Im correct it was the Cs fan who posted numerous threads and posts about Laker fans complaining and blaming their lose on the reffs....... Right?
So we can sit here and say the same thing about last nights game too.

I am so ****ing sick of Lakers homers blabbing about "moving screens". Seriously. Anyone else?

Ticky-tacky fouls don't affect the opponent, Fisher's handchecking on Ray did.

wigglestrue wrote:I am so ****ing sick of Lakers homers blabbing about "moving screens". Seriously. Anyone else?

Ticky-tacky fouls don't affect the opponent, Fisher's handchecking on Ray did.

NO NO NO to answer your question!!!

When you put up illegal screens on 1 of every 2 plays especially for Ray Allen to hit his open 3's, you've got a case to make. That's not a ticky-tack foul, that's 3points right down scoreboard!!!

When your team hacks and fouls every time and pushes, it's called toughness and good defense, and your response is: "Well if Refs don't call it, we should take advantage of it!" But when you get pushed and touched and your player SLIPS on the last play, it's: "The refs...."

wigglestrue wrote:I am so ****ing sick of Lakers homers blabbing about "moving screens". Seriously. Anyone else?

Ticky-tacky fouls don't affect the opponent, Fisher's handchecking on Ray did.

Right so lets not consider a moving pick that resulted in Fisher getting pushed into Ray (the call your trying to blame last nights lose on) but your trying to make us agree with you that Fisher commited a foul on Ray by hand checking him.
WOW?

TonyMontana wrote:

wigglestrue wrote:I am so ****ing sick of Lakers homers blabbing about "moving screens". Seriously. Anyone else?

Ticky-tacky fouls don't affect the opponent, Fisher's handchecking on Ray did.

Right so lets not consider a moving pick that resulted in Fisher getting pushed into Ray

1 - That wasn't a moving pick.
2 - Fisher didn't even touch Baby.
3 - He was quite obviously pushing himself into Ray = foul.

(the call your trying to blame last nights lose on)

Again, never did such thing.

but your trying to make us agree with you that Fisher commited a foul on Ray by hand checking him.
WOW?

I couldn't care less about you. Well, I guess I could. How's this: Whatever.

wigglestrue wrote:

TonyMontana wrote:

wigglestrue wrote:I am so ****ing sick of Lakers homers blabbing about "moving screens". Seriously. Anyone else?

Ticky-tacky fouls don't affect the opponent, Fisher's handchecking on Ray did.

Right so lets not consider a moving pick that resulted in Fisher getting pushed into Ray

1 - That wasn't a moving pick. So YOU say
2 - Fisher didn't even touch Baby. Sure he did with his shoulder and he's left leg
3 - He was quite obviously pushing himself into Ray = foul. No I disagree, he was fighting through a pic an illegal pick

(the call your trying to blame last nights lose on)

Again, never did such thing. Sure you did, its basically all over this board.

but your trying to make us agree with you that Fisher commited a foul on Ray by hand checking him.
WOW?

I couldn't care less about you. Thank you your very kind. Well, I guess I could. How's this: Whatever. The same could be said about you and your claims, but then again Im respectfull towards you and your posts and Im not here to argue.

You know what, if you can sit here and be honest about game 2 and 4 of last years title where tha Lakers got robbed then I will be honest about last nights call on Fisher.
Deal??

Kobe fouled out just a few games ago, at home, in overtime vs. the Bobcats.

Can Tony Allen chase and hand-check his opponents? He would have been the best defender in the league.

"Sure you did, its basically all over this board."

Yeah? Quote where I blamed the loss on the refs. Good luck.

Wah wah. It's baby crying like that (not just from Pierce, but others as well) that makes games 20 times more difficult for refs to call, and sometimes fouls will be missed. Just don't go around acting like the refs are shafting you when everybody's getting essentially the same treatment.

TonyMontana wrote:

pballa wrote:i dont get these LA fans.

It's like we clearly have to point things out to them because they decide to homerize .gifs on the internets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NXSifuJrlM

HERE, GOD DAMN

You know and I know the reffs arent going to decide a game like this specially with a few seconds left on the clock with a ticky tack call.
There was bad calls the enitre game and me personally felt that the Lakers did get more ticky tack calls than the Cs did specially in the 4qt, and it didnt come down to this last play and if it did then the pick by big baby was a moving screen when the ball was inbounded.
Also you can clearly see that Ray slid a few inches before he realeased his shot.
Now if that's what you and other Cs fan like to do by not giving credit to where credit is due, then fine I can except that, but the game wasnt called fairly on both ends.
Note, when the Lakers lost last year there was a lot of bad calls specially in game 2 and 4, yet if Im correct it was the Cs fan who posted numerous threads and posts about Laker fans complaining and blaming their lose on the reffs....... Right?
So we can sit here and say the same thing about last nights game too.

oh so its okay to call that foul in the first but not in the end.

they were calling those small fouls all game and then they dont in the end.

okay, gotcha. but keep referring to last year as your argument, works well!

your arguments may work on gen discussion but not on our board, bring some facts son. Lakers got more ticky tack calls but its okay for gasol to knock KGs arm.

guess thats the way it is over in LA!

TonyMontana wrote:You know and I know the reffs arent going to decide a game like this specially with a few seconds left on the clock with a ticky tack call.

BUT THEY DID **** DECIDE IT BY NOT CALLING IT!! IM SO SICK OF THAT **** ARGUMENT IT MAKES NO SENSE!