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The links have been circulating all over Celtics forums and blogs for two weeks. New Orleans wants to shed some of its contracts. Presumably they regret the Posey signing too in terms of the financial picture. And David Aldridge writes on nba.com about financial motivations driving trade action in the next 4 days.

Consider this: Posey has 3 more years after this, while Veal is an expiring contract next year.

Would New Orleans consider this -

Scalabrine, Giddens, and O'Bryant (and some money) for James Posey

Does NO have any reason to give up Posey? We know Posey can be a cranky guy when his team is losing. Hornets are doing pretty well, they have a fighting chance in the West. But they must know realistically, as constituted, they aren't getting past the Spurs AND/OR Lakers this year in the west.

If Ainge wasn't going to give Posey 4 years before the season, why would he now?

It's possible that the Hornets shed some contracts, but don't expect them to give the players away either.

We do save brain scalabrines money in this deal, but we still get stuck with poses contract for 3 years that he probably wont be very productive, IDK its a tough call, we are borderline this year. NO does it to save money, but idk if its a smart move long term, but if you dont think we can win a tittle this year without posey then its the thing to do. Make NO send a 2nd rounder over too.

it's not like we're adding Posey to the same roster situation Ainge was looking at last summer. We would be trading away Veal and the smaller commitments to Giddens and OB. There is some savings on that. So you might discount getting Posey in return. It doesn't ostensibly affect the MLE situation in the next few years.. And Elrod already explained we aren't big time players in free agency.

Look at it this way.. before our major contracts besides the Big 3 were Perkins and Veal. We were expected to sign Rondo and a few more to big contracts. After this, Posey would be our big contract besides the big 3. That looks a lot cleaner and smarter. As valuable as Veal is, you'd be getting your money's worth with the Celtics payroll.

sunshinekids99 wrote:If Ainge wasn't going to give Posey 4 years before the season, why would he now?

It's possible that the Hornets shed some contracts, but don't expect them to give the players away either.

Exactly. There's a reason he didn't give him the years Posey got from NO. He's not going to do this just to appease fans that said he made a bad move not resigning Posey. Would I like Posey back? Hell yeah...but not at that many years left on his contract.

basically, if you're wondering whether this affects the chances of offering Rasheed Wallace the full MLE this summer, well it doesn't seem to. Whereas signing Posey last summer apparently would have. Elrod could probably clarify.

The only question seems to be if NO would do this, and whether the Celtics could do something like this without giving up Tony Allen.

No I don't think it is a situation of appeasing fans or going back on last summer's decision not to give him 4 years. That's final. Ainge still wouldn't do 4 years for Posey. But this is a trade, it's different. On balance, Posey's contract wouldn't be as bad financially if we're getting out of Veal's. It probably depends on the owners.

yes it would be a bad contract. But so is Veal's. They're both valuable players. NO would do it to get a shorter bad contract.


I mean, back in 05, AInge still felt the same way about Antoine Walker. But he acknowledged the intangibles, and he brought him back in a different circumstance. Some people read it as Ainge acknowledging a mistake in letting go of Toine, who made Pierce that much better. Or, he made a trade to make our team that much better (Payton, Ricky Davis, Pierce, Walker, LaFrentz, Big Al Jefferson, West)

NO needs to get under the cap next season, so they are only interested in expiring deals...

And like others have said, why would Danny be interested in Posey and his long contract?

Man, Pose back in Beantown? I know its the smart business move not resigning Pose but now trading for him? Part of me wants him back so bad especially via trade. We've taken the Fakers best punch and fell a little short both times and I feel with Posey we win those games just like last Finals.

I've got to think that the 3'rd and 4'th years of Poseys contract would pretty much obliterate the Celtics ability to purchase expensive free agents as RA and PP's contracts expire.

Is Posey the new Antoine Walker?

The Hornets screwed us and themselves when they acquired James. By offering him a third year we, and the other team who courted him, were KNOWINGLY overpaying, but that fourth year was ridiculous. Especially considering the acrtual makeup of that New Orleans team. They got all caught up in the "He's a Champion" stuff that they didn't ask themselves, "How does he fit in with us?"

It isn't as if James has ben bad this season, because he is actually playing better than he did last season, IMO. To play him, though, the Hornest have to sit other players who they pay a lot of money to and are important to them. They needed a 2 guard and they got a guy who is at his best swinging between the 3 and 4 slots. Not good planning at all.

Unfortunately I agree with those who say that bringing him here would kill us long term with that deal. I love James and he would REALLY help us right now, but you would be damning him down the line and it absolutely would not be his fault.

If NO would do that trade, sure, bring back Posey. I think they could probably get more in return though, while it's rumored they need to cut costs I don't think they are going to insult their fan base with a fire sale. I also don't think they have the roster space to keep Veal, POB, and Giddens so they'd have to cut someone or make another deal somewhere.

To Bos: Posey, Marks. To New Orleans: O'Bryant, Giddens, Scalabrine, Pruitt. Works on the checker.


New Orleans gets three nice but not quite ready for primetime prospects, and a near-expiring (who can, as we've learned, contribute); we get an upgrade over Scal and a veteran big. Given that LeBron, Howard, Durant et al are going to own this league in a couple years, go for broke now, pad the lead over the Lakers.

New (old?) rotation:

Perkins/Powe/Marks
Garnett/Davis
Pierce/Posey
Allen/Allen
Rondo/House


At seasons' end, trade Powe or Baby for an eventual late first-rounder, sign Sheed to the MLE. Or, just stand pat if the owner's don't want to spend anymore in light of the economy.

I think it would require Powe's inclusion, but it's plausible IMO.

But the fact that our guys are expiring this year and not next hurts it. It would be very plausible next year.

It's possible that Ainge regrets not biting the bullet and signing him.

I don't see why signing him last year would have affected signing Rasheed; other than from a luxury tax perspective, which wouldn't be any different if we traded for him.

I think we'd have to get a 3rd team involved, one who is shooting for 2010.
Give team x(Joe D owes us one) our crop of next year fa's, team x gives expirings this year to NO and NO gives us Pose back.

well if NO does the deal for Marion then they would need someone to replace chandler plus marion would take posey's minutes so maybe. didn't scot havev scal in NJ? I doubt Danny does it but you never know. Posey has been ok this year but I think his real value is in the playoffs as he is a clutch player.

The only deal that makes sense would be Scal and TA (with Sam I am for salary reasons) for Posey (they can have Giddens I don't care about that). But for AInge to eat that 4th year now he has got to get some relief to make a move this off season. But the Hornets are facing the lux tax next year so this isn't what they are likely looking for. But Scal gives them a big and Tony can give them a defensive 2 guard which is what they are using Posey for and he isn't.

So you're suggesting that Ainge accept a contract he rejected over the summer, and throw in a first-round pick to make it happen?

Of course, the other part of what you're suggesting is dumping a year each on a couple of Ainge's FA deals ...

If Ainge has a chance to amend his mistake, he should do it. LA looks awfully tough right now..

NO's not going to take nothing back tho. Offer up TA, Powe and Cassell. Powe's a FA after this year and will be tough to resign and Posey basically replaces TA.