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Tony would be the player on the inactive list. Seeing that he's out for the rest of the regular season. He'll be a DNP status every game here on out. If Ainge doesn't believe that Tony will return for the playoffs. Could he not go ahead and sign a third player? Or would that prevent Tony from returning should he be cleared to play during the playoffs. In that case, then you don't...

Under the new Collective Bargaining Agreement, each team is required to carry 12 players on its active list and at least one player on its inactive list. Teams may have a maximum of three players on its inactive list, which includes any players sent to the NBA Development League.

In the past, a team maintained a 12-player roster, with additional players being put on the injured list, which forced the player to sit a minimum of five games before again being eligible to play. Now, the active and inactive list can be set on a game-by-game basis, one hour before tip-off, with no length of stay required for either list.

http://www.nba.com/news/inactive_rules_0506.html

injured player counts as one of the 15

I see. That's unfortunate. Then Tony screwed the team, again.

15 players total allowed, 12 ACTIVE, 3 INACTIVE

Tony will obviously be INACTIVE the rest of the regular season.

Tony Allen screws us over even by not playing... sigh.......

Should the Celtics cut Tony Allen or is his contract too much of a burden?

A team only gets an exemption/extra spot if enough players go down, like how we were able to add Kevinn Pinkney in 2006-2007.

If Tony was not a possibility for the playoffs then they could apply for an injured player roster exemption, not an issue when you have two open roster spots and at that point Tony's season would be over. This is what Boston did last season with Pollard so they could add PJ Brown.

There is no need to hate on TA. He's hurt and when he comes back, we can certainly use his energy. He probably won't get a ton of minutes, but he'll be useful in the playoffs. Besides, we're not in this for the regular season anyways. This will free up some extra minutes for Gabe who deserves some burn, so it's not all bad.

At this point, I'm pretty sure we're going to stick with what we have. We're in the "keeping everyone healthy for the playoffs" mode and we pretty much have one of the top 2 spots locked up, so I see no reason to worry.

tombattor wrote:There is no need to hate on TA. He's hurt and when he comes back, we can certainly use his energy. He probably won't get a ton of minutes, but he'll be useful in the playoffs. Besides, we're not in this for the regular season anyways. This will free up some extra minutes for Gabe who deserves some burn, so it's not all bad.

At this point, I'm pretty sure we're going to stick with what we have. We're in the "keeping everyone healthy for the playoffs" mode and we pretty much have one of the top 2 spots locked up, so I see no reason to worry.

Tony plays like an idiot. You put idiots on the court vs good team (playoff teams), you advance teh cause of losing games. I'm starting to get the sinking feeling that "We should traded for Nocioni" will be said quite a few times over the next couple of months. Our bench is weak. Our team is the starters and a bunch of guys you shouldn't really expect anything from.

GreenDreamer wrote:

tombattor wrote:There is no need to hate on TA. He's hurt and when he comes back, we can certainly use his energy. He probably won't get a ton of minutes, but he'll be useful in the playoffs. Besides, we're not in this for the regular season anyways. This will free up some extra minutes for Gabe who deserves some burn, so it's not all bad.

At this point, I'm pretty sure we're going to stick with what we have. We're in the "keeping everyone healthy for the playoffs" mode and we pretty much have one of the top 2 spots locked up, so I see no reason to worry.

Tony plays like an idiot. You put idiots on the court vs good team (playoff teams), you advance teh cause of losing games. I'm starting to get the sinking feeling that "We should traded for Nocioni" will be said quite a few times over the next couple of months. Our bench is weak. Our team is the starters and a bunch of guys you shouldn't really expect anything from.

Yes, TA plays like an idiot sometimes, but he can also be our best player off the bench. I'm not sure how closely you follow other teams, but with the exception of players like Manu, most bench players have a lot of major flaws. That's why they are the bench and not starters getting 40+ minutes.

For example, Eddie House is a lights out shooter, but he can't really handle the ball. Does that mean, we should force him to do those things and cut him when he can't? No, we play to his strength and play a ball handler with him, so we can maximize his assets without exposing his weaknesses.

tombattor wrote:

GreenDreamer wrote:

tombattor wrote:There is no need to hate on TA. He's hurt and when he comes back, we can certainly use his energy. He probably won't get a ton of minutes, but he'll be useful in the playoffs. Besides, we're not in this for the regular season anyways. This will free up some extra minutes for Gabe who deserves some burn, so it's not all bad.

At this point, I'm pretty sure we're going to stick with what we have. We're in the "keeping everyone healthy for the playoffs" mode and we pretty much have one of the top 2 spots locked up, so I see no reason to worry.

Tony plays like an idiot. You put idiots on the court vs good team (playoff teams), you advance teh cause of losing games. I'm starting to get the sinking feeling that "We should traded for Nocioni" will be said quite a few times over the next couple of months. Our bench is weak. Our team is the starters and a bunch of guys you shouldn't really expect anything from.

Yes, TA plays like an idiot sometimes, but he can also be our best player off the bench. I'm not sure how closely you follow other teams, but with the exception of players like Manu, most bench players have a lot of major flaws. That's why they are the bench and not starters getting 40+ minutes.

For example, Eddie House is a lights out shooter, but he can't really handle the ball. Does that mean, we should force him to do those things and cut him when he can't? No, we play to his strength and play a ball handler with him, so we can maximize his assets without exposing his weaknesses.

I follow the league quite closely. Well conceived benches have playerts who can fit in with the key players of teh team while filling in a needed role. The best benches usually revolve around one or two really good role players. Last season Posey was our best bench player because of his ability to guard different positions at a high level and his ability to spread the floor, which allowed him to play in big and small lineups effectively.

On our team we have a bunch of guys who are only good in specific situtaions and against certain kind of teams. Eddie House was absolutely useless last night, for example, because of the fact that Utah can put a large backcourt out there. Eddie could gaurd neither Williams, Korver nor Brewer, so he had to sit. That is just the way it works. Tony doesn't spread the floor at all, and so cannot play with Rondo. Not to mention that he really can't run the point, so he can't play with Eddie vs good teams.

Leon looks great against teams with smallish front courts and gets killed by teams with longish ones. Baby has his own significant limitations. Veal can spread the floor and play defense, but his lack of athleticism and rebounding ability really hurts us against some teams. All three of these guys would have a lot more value to us if we had another "all around" big who was our main big off of the bench.

I started a thread about the Spurs model. They are very intelligent in how they have built their team. Their role players fit seammlessly into the whole. Ours do not, and it is not a good situation.

TA is undervalued around here. I think they team is hoping he will come back. They obviously don't feel confident with Walker or Giddens playing over him..

bonsaiflipflops wrote:I see. That's unfortunate. Then Tony screwed the team, again.

And true...

TA has been fine, he is productive and the only plus defender we have on the bench. The weaknesses of other players don't change that.

TA is the best bench player we have and that was pretty evident last night when we faced a team with a good bench who turned us out. I would like someone better than Tony to be our best bench player but that isn't his fault.

^He is one of our best players...which is a problem! He plays like a **** moron, as someone said up above in this thread...all the talent in the world can't disguise that (think of a slightly less-stupid version of Gerald Green...that's TA)

We commited 19 TO's last night and not one of them was committed by TA and our bench got outscored 27-18 in a game we lost by 5 points.

The Gerald Green comparison does you no favors it makes it seem like you have no idea what you are talking about. The only thing GG and TA have in common is being black and athletic.

sully, I was in no way blaming TA for the loss last night...obviously he had nothing to do with it. But the fact that he *IS* one of our top 3 bench players is worrying...

and obviously TA is better than Gerald...my comparison was basically saying Tony has put it together much more than GG has, but both have superb athletic gifts that their idiotic BBIQs have not let them harness to the fullness of their potential...

Tony's salary isn't high. So, whenever he's healthy again. You've to assume he'll be traded before his contract expires. Ditto for Scalabrine. I think both of them are locks to be traded. Looking at the bench, most of these players could be gone come next season. Hence, why fans will be curious about the impending contract situation of Pierce and Ray and how those situations affect the reshaping of the possible new bench players.

sully00 wrote:If Tony was not a possibility for the playoffs then they could apply for an injured player roster exemption, not an issue when you have two open roster spots and at that point Tony's season would be over. This is what Boston did last season with Pollard so they could add PJ Brown.

That's not correct. We carried an open roster spot out of training camp, and cut Brandon Wallace to open a 2nd roster spot. PJ and Sam took the 14th and 15th roster spots. There was no roster exemption, and Pollard remained on the 15 man roster on the 3 man inactive list, along with Scal and Pruitt, for most of the playoffs.