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That is, if the offers for Davis are more than what Ainge is willing to sign him to. Not to mention, you might want to get compensation for him if the goal by Ainge is to resign Powe. Then too, Davis' worth might be dictated by what other similar tier RFAs sign for like Maxiell.

It would be nice to get resign both Powe and Baby...but if not possible, I'd much rather keep Powe than Davis...so hopefully we sign and trade him and get something like a small forward to back up Paul or at least some decent draft picks...im sure Ainge will do the right thing though...he is smart...

Here's a thought I just pulled out of my bum. I love big baby, but he's a player. Who knows if we'll be able to afford to keep him and powe? Especially when they're both undersized pf's (lengthwise anyways). How bout we send big baby down to none other than New Orleans Hornets (home sweet home), and in return we get our hands on Posey. I wouldn't be surprised if baby couldn't get a contract anywhere from 2-5 million dollars a year. That's scal money baby. Posey is making 5 a year, and we'd be picking up the last 3 years of his contract, a contract that would shadow p2's.

I'd feel better about dishing off davis that way and knowing Pierce would have more rest in the future, having a defensive stopper/3 point dagger/ small forward stepping in for p2 when needed.

Scalamental wrote:Here's a thought I just pulled out of my bum. I love big baby, but he's a player, who knows if we'll be able to afford to keep him and powe, especially when they're both undersized pf's (lengthwise anyways). How bout we send big baby down to none other than New Orleans Hornets (home sweet home), and in return we get our hands on Posey. I wouldn't be surprised if baby couldn't get a contract anywhere from 2-5 million dollars a year. That's scal money baby. Posey is making 5 a year, and we'd be picking up the last 3 years of his contract, a contract that would shadow p2's.

I'd feel better about dishing off davis that way and knowing Pierce would have more rest in the future, having a defensive stopper/3 point dagger/ small forward stepping in for p2 when needed.

I can't see this happening. If Ainge didn't want to give Posey the money last year I don't think he'll want to give it to him this year.

And I didn't think Antione was going to come back to the Celtics, twice. Danny does what's best at the given time. You never know.

Scalamental wrote:And I didn't think Antione was going to come back to the Celtics, twice. Danny does what's best at the given time. You never know.

Didn't Antoine only come back ONCE?

MyInsatiableOne wrote:

Scalamental wrote:And I didn't think Antione was going to come back to the Celtics, twice. Danny does what's best at the given time. You never know.

Didn't Antoine only come back ONCE?

I thought you knew? I can see into the future.

Half this board would commit suicide if this actually happened...

Scalamental wrote:How bout we send big baby down to none other than New Orleans Hornets (home sweet home), and in return we get our hands on Posey. I wouldn't be surprised if baby couldn't get a contract anywhere from 2-5 million dollars a year. That's scal money baby. Posey is making 5 a year, and we'd be picking up the last 3 years of his contract, a contract that would shadow p2's.

There might be better options available at small forward than Posey. I would do a trade for Joey Graham or Outlaw instead.

I thought you knew? I can see into the future.

BBD = A. Walker with better shot selection but less talent. That's why he is so popular with some fans around here.

I would rather have BBD over Powe if we had to choose. (I want both , but...) Baby's outside shot is invaluable. This makes it a no brainer between the two. I love Powe, can't question his hustle, but a lot of his offense is determined who he is on the court with. Which player of the 2 would have more success with lesser players on the court with them... Baby. He has more skills.

BBD is starting to look like a poor man's Charles Barkley. Sorry, only player that I can think of with the same style body type. Right now he looks like and plays like Chuck did in college. Lock him up for 2-4 million for 3-4 seasons, and lets see how much further he progresses. Check out highlights of Barkley when he was in college vs Barkley when he was with Phoenix in '93 and you can start to make your own comparisions from there.

There have been plays that Davis has made this year that you shake your head and say "no bleeping way did he just do that. Too fat." Same with Barkley when he was in college. Barkley had the drive and worked hard and you see the difference in his body type. We are starting to see the change in BBD's body type since he has been with the C's. He also seems to have the drive. Great hands and foot work, and did I mention the outside shot?

Don't misunderstand... not saying he is Barkley. He just reminds me of Barkley at a much younger age. If he becomes 1/4 the player Chuck was, he would be a steal at the 2-4 million a season.

Did I mention the outside shot?

Their are a number of guys the Celtics will likely be interested in for a sign and trade,
since they don't have to use their MLE.

But would Indiana (Rasho Nesterovic), Detroit (Rasheed Wallace and Allen Iverson)
want some combination of Davis or Powe, with Tony Allen, Scal or Pruitt.
Probably not.

It would probably take a 3 way with another team to manage a sign and trade for
Nesterovic or Rasheed, both who can play center and have jump shots.

To say Davis is a poor man's Barkley is an insult to Barkley. Davis isn't a poor man's anyone at this stage in his career. Davis reminds me of Glen Davis. I don't see the comparison at all. I'm not Barkley and I would take offense to such a comparison. Their games aren't similar at all. For one thing, Barley was a superior rebounder at 6'5'' or less. Davis at 6'7'' or so is an inferior rebounder to Powe.

I just don't see a comparison. Not in style or physically.

This was Barkley... It's like any player who's an undersized power forward gets compared to Barkley. There's only one Barkley.

There are four players in NBA history who have compiled at least 20,000 points, 10,000 rebounds and 4,000 assists: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Wilt Chamberlain, Karl Malone and Charles Barkley. But when the conversation turns to the exploits of Barkley, many people think first of the always entertaining, sometimes outrageous running commentary on basketball and life he provided throughout his celebrated 16-year NBA career.

However, as a player he was the greatest anomaly in basketball history. Listed at 6-6, but probably actually closer to 6-4, he played power forward as well as anyone, often dominating players half a foot taller.

http://www.nba.com/history/players/barkley_bio.html

Barkley was the second best player in the league behind Jordan for a point in the 90's. I love Baby but
the only thing the two of them have in common is a shaved head and going to school down south.

There is not going to be a sign and trade market for Baby or Powe unless it is a coincidental in a bigger trade even then the BYC issues make it extremely complicated.

I just don't really see the market for either player next season, outside of someone with cap space just falling in love with picking up young guys with championship experience. I think teams would be interested in both players but I don't see a market over 3 mil a year for them especially since teams hate to go the offer sheet route.

My guess is that Ainge offers them both the same deal he gave TA, 2 years 2.5 mil per maybe make the 2nd a player option, and waits it out. In an ideal situation there is someone else in Boston next season that keeps Baby and Powe fighting it out for mins anyhow.

I think Ainge signs both Powe and Baby and he should. They both offer a lot off the bench for us. Look how well both played in their starting roles with KG out.

Keep them both and perhaps trade one of them in a few seasons time to get some players back in Boston after the big 3 decline, or some nice piece at least.

If Davis plays well in the playoffs, he'll be traded. Powe being injured is actually lowering his value. Ainge won't have to reach to resign him.

Again, if Powe is resigned, I don't see the point of retaining both he and Davis. If I'm Ainge, I think big this off season. Big as in getting taller. I believe R. Wallace will be on Ainge's shortlist. However, I expect to see Wallace playing elsewhere. Perhaps, he ends up back in the western conference.

I don't really understand how a sign and trade would work here. Couldn't any team just sign either guy outright? I mean is anyone out there going to want to pay more than MLE money? I guess a sign and trade secures that we can't match, but I don't really see this as realistic.

Now if we resign either of them, that doesn't count against our MLE right? If so I think we want both unless they want more money then we feel they are worth. I personally want Sheed so losing one of them wouldn't hurt that much.

Hypothetically speaking, any team with interest in Davis can make him an offer and Davis can agree to it. However, Ainge can match that offer. If Davis desires to play elsewhere, you do a sign-and-trade to at least get another player in return for him. Makes sense... The playoffs could decide Davis' market. And with Garnett out for the remainder of the regular season. Davis has an opportunity to really raise his stock. No Garnett, no Scalabrine and no Powe. If Davis helps to acquire Outlaw at least. I'm all for it.

Do you understand the BYC provision? It means if we S&T Baby for 5 mil we can only take back 2.5 mil in trade. So for starters we can only trade Baby to a team under the cap or in a much larger trade that involves enough salary to work that into the margins.

Baby is limited in salary to the amount of the MLE, he cannot get a contract that starts higher than 5.6 mil from us or anyone else. How can you think he wouldn't be worth that to Boston but he would be worth not only that but worth a player Boston would desire more to someone else?

There are 3 options he is back on one year deal at the QO, likely, he is back on a team friendly two year deal even more likely, or he gets an offer sheet and they either match or they don't. S&T's for guys making less than a 5 mil are just not that common.

sully00 wrote:Do you understand the BYC provision? It means if we S&T Baby for 5 mil we can only take back 2.5 mil in trade. So for starters we can only trade Baby to a team under the cap or in a much larger trade that involves enough salary to work that into the margins.

Baby is limited in salary to the amount of the MLE, he cannot get a contract that starts higher than 5.6 mil from us or anyone else. How can you think he wouldn't be worth that to Boston but he would be worth not only that but worth a player Boston would desire more to someone else?

There are 3 options he is back on one year deal at the QO, likely, he is back on a team friendly two year deal even more likely, or he gets an offer sheet and they either match or they don't. S&T's for guys making less than a 5 mil are just not that common.

I agree with ya. Any time your thinking of a trade oyu have to figure if there is another team out there that would have the motivation to do the trade. There very well be a team or teams that want Baby. If they want him they might just sign him to a large offer sheet and hope we don't resign him. I could see a competitor signing him to an MLE deal figuring if we match than we are stuck with a lot more contract and if we don't they get a good player and we lose one.