KG's Surgery Delay, Lockup Risk, PP and Ray No Rest

Jammer · Post #1 » by **Jammer** » Thu Apr 2, 2009 11:06 am

It's really starting to piss me off.

KG looked gimpy for much of the season running the floor.

The knee strain excuse was wearing thin,
even wrenched knees don't react the way
KG's story was changing in the press.

I suspected cartilage/loose particles,
but the Celtics kept insisting it was not structural.

Now they fess up to loose particles/cartilage and potential knee lockup.

If surgery had been done 6 1/2 weeks ago,
this point would be moot.

KG would be back,
Ray Allen and Paul Pierce might actually have their minutes reduced before the playoffs
instead of working like dogs to get homecourt over the Magic.

You'd think with all the experts available someone could have
explained where this was going to KG,
instead of him wasting precious regular season recuperation time
to now, on the verge of the playoffs,
announcing he will likely need minor surgery after the season
to clean up loose cartilage,
but in the meantime,
his knee could lockup.

BS. What are you paying top experts for,
to delay something so simple, so obvious?

Where is the team in all of this?

Somebody didn't manage this situation properly.
It shouldn't come down to this on the verge of the playoffs
when there was ample window, all season really,
his gimp was noticeable back in November when he ran the floor,
to have resolved this in the best manner possible for ALL parties concerned.

Jeez.

OBisHalJordan · Post #2 » by **OBisHalJordan** » Thu Apr 2, 2009 12:15 pm

This seems like an overblown reaction to incomplete information. Lets just relax. What will come will come. We all watch basketball for entertainment right?

Jammer · Post #3 » by **Jammer** » Thu Apr 2, 2009 12:35 pm

OBisHalJordan wrote:This seems like an overblown reaction to incomplete information. Lets just relax. What will come will come. We all watch basketball for entertainment right?

There was a report yesterday that the Celtics
suggested the surgery option to KG back in January, but he declined.

If that report was true, then delaying the inevitable
only affects the team performance in the playoffs.

There are effective ways to present alternatives,
and ineffective ones.

This is one that could/should have been managed better,
if the reports of loose cartilage are true.

If those reports are true, they bungled the treatment by delaying it.

Kefa461 · Post #4 » by **Kefa461** » Thu Apr 2, 2009 1:22 pm

Jammer wrote:
OBisHalJordan wrote:This seems like an overblown reaction to incomplete information. Lets just relax. What will come will come. We all watch basketball for entertainment right?

There was a report yesterday that the Celtics
suggested the surgery option to KG back in January, but he declined.

If that report was true, then delaying the inevitable
only affects the team performance in the playoffs.

There are effective ways to present alternatives,
and ineffective ones.

This is one that could/should have been managed better,
if the reports of loose cartilage are true.

If those reports are true, they bungled the treatment by delaying it.

So if a player declines you have to work with the player until He is ready.......what's your suggestion force him to go under the scope even if it's minor.....you do not do that....get real......you just won a Championship and there is no need to rush anything, things will work out. 8-)

celticfan42487 · Post #5 » by **celticfan42487** » Thu Apr 2, 2009 1:44 pm

Last night, they just said they talked with Ainge and KG's injury not something that will lead down the road to surgery.

Post #6 » by **sully00** » Thu Apr 2, 2009 2:16 pm

If that report was true, then delaying the inevitable
only affects the team performance in the playoffs.

Let's start right there. What was the source of this "published report?" The earliest "report" I found was this

http://blogs.eagletribune.com/sports/20 ... o-surgery/

If this is the source he knows nothing, Bill Burt is not a basketball writer with sources he is a clown.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #7 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Thu Apr 2, 2009 2:19 pm

Good analysis on Bill Burt, sully...

KG will probably get his knee scoped in the offseason and be back good as new next season. But it's not something you can't play through so if that is indeed all it is, he'll be sore but fine...

Kefa461 · Post #8 » by **Kefa461** » Thu Apr 2, 2009 2:44 pm

Boston Celtics coach Doc Rivers would be "very, very surprised" if Kevin Garnett, resting a sore right knee, isn't playing in the opening game of the playoffs.

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball ... ltics+news

8-)

MyInsatiableOne · Post #9 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Thu Apr 2, 2009 2:53 pm

Doc was also going to limit Paul and Ray's minutes and play TA last night, remember?

I like Doc as much as the next guy, but I take his announcements with a grain of salt... 8-)

billfromBoston · Post #10 » by **billfromBoston** » Thu Apr 2, 2009 4:03 pm

Jammer wrote:
OBisHalJordan wrote:This seems like an overblown reaction to incomplete information. Lets just relax. What will come will come. We all watch basketball for entertainment right?

There was a report yesterday that the Celtics
suggested the surgery option to KG back in January, but he declined.

If that report was true, then delaying the inevitable
only affects the team performance in the playoffs.

There are effective ways to present alternatives,
and ineffective ones.

This is one that could/should have been managed better,
if the reports of loose cartilage are true.

If those reports are true, they bungled the treatment by delaying it.

If you take the available sources as factual and informed you are making a grevious error in judgment --- believe the team reports and stop putting stock in sports journalism reports...

Scalamental · Post #11 » by **Scalamental** » Thu Apr 2, 2009 7:30 pm

MyInsatiableOne wrote:Doc was also going to limit Paul and Ray's minutes and play TA last night, remember?

I like Doc as much as the next guy, but I take his announcements with a grain of salt...

April Fools Tony Allen!

MyInsatiableOne · Post #12 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Thu Apr 2, 2009 7:39 pm

Tony Allen = /pwnage!

Avalanche · Post #13 » by **Avalanche** » Thu Apr 2, 2009 9:45 pm

If the scope was possible in January it should have been done, its going to have to be done at some point and there is only a few weeks recovery time from it...

there is a risk of it locking up during a game, thats really not what you want happening in a game 7 or something, bad decision but hopefully it doesnt come back to bite us any more than it already has

Post #14 » by **sully00** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 5:00 am

Avalanche wrote:If the scope was possible in January it should have been done, its going to have to be done at some point and there is only a few weeks recovery time from it...

there is a risk of it locking up during a game, thats really not what you want happening in a game 7 or something, bad decision but hopefully it doesnt come back to bite us any more than it already has

First of all there is no acknowledgment of this being true, KG's current injury occurred in the middle of FEB. I am not saying that the reports aren't true but what I am saying is that you have start with the facts and not the theory. If he gets a scope on top of a knee strain in the middle of FEB you will be lucky to see him before May.

The other reality is KG is not 23 years old, this is it, they go in there and its **** then the music stops. Trust you, me and KG we want that horrible reality coming in a heap on a basketball floor not during a scope at BMC.

Avalanche · Post #15 » by **Avalanche** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 7:20 am

Oh i know, im the biggest fan of the guy you will find and the last thing i have ever wanted is to see him miss time (luckily he has been such an iron man til now its never been an issue).

Im just ****ing myself at the thought of a game 7 where a piece of loose cartilage ends up in the wrong place and shuts KG down for the night ... *runs to the closest piece of wood to touch*

If its a strain and he just came back early, then thats fine.. i can deal with that and he can use the first round to tune up... but if its the injury that is now being reported, and they've known about it for a long time im not sure its the best idea for them not to just take care of it as soon as they knew

Painter · Post #16 » by **Painter** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 2:18 pm

Ah, another doctor in the house. Please tell me what a "wrenched" knee is? What KG likely has is called crepitus, which is very common among most people as they grow older and is more commonly part of osteoarthritis or more seriously, knee compartment syndrome. Athletes tend to push them along by asking their joints to perform more often and in more strenuous ways than the general population. Everyone assumes that an arthroscopic clean out is a simple little procedure that should be no more than a small tick to a well-conditioned athlete. Unfortunately, small incisions have to be made through some important tissue such as ligaments and tendons. When it's necessary to make an incision, however small, in the quadriceps tendon (or the patellar tendon), the muscles want to and do shut down regardless of how strong or toned the muscles may be. It's nature's way of protecting the joint after an intrusive procedure. There's no way of predicting how long it would take to heal to return to the grind of NBA-level punishment as if it never happened. Some players have overcome the surgery very quickly and some have taken a while - case in point: what soured Red Auerbach on Cedric Maxwell? Max had his knee cleaned out and it took quite a bit of time before his pain subsided and he had full confidence in the knee, but it was too long for Red who improperly assumed that it was "just a scope" and Max should have been back on the floor within days or at least within a couple of weeks. So, Red thought Max was dogging it and that was it. Wrong. Even if KG had surgery in January or early February, his knee might be worse than it is now in terms of playoff readiness. The player really is the best judge of when surgery is called for, and if Kevin (and management) believes he will recover with rest then all we can do is wait and see. Oh, by the way, if his knee does lock, all he has to do is shake it and the small piece of cartilage can move from between the femur and tibia where it's been caught. Not that it doesn't hurt a bit, but it's more often just the feeling of momentary helplessness that freaks people into thinking that it's a major problem. It's not like an ACL tear, and the actual stability of the knee is unaffected. I sincerely apologize for the length of this.

Collinto · Post #17 » by **Collinto** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 3:41 pm

I heard it's bone on bone...

Joebiscuit · Post #18 » by **Joebiscuit** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 4:06 pm

Collinto wrote:I heard it's bone on bone...

That would not suprise me at all considering how many games KG has played over his career. If it is bone on bone I am not sure anything can be done.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #19 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 5:28 pm

I think after scoping it all that can be done are periodic injections of SynVisc...

Red2 · Post #20 » by **Red2** » Fri Apr 3, 2009 5:37 pm

I too feel like the C's f'd this up but if KG didn't want surgery they couldn't very well force him to do it. Still, after 6 weeks of telling us it's a muscle strain now it's a bone spur pressing on atendon and will require surgery. Now instead of saying he'll be back 100% it's he'll be back but @ 75%. Why play in the all star game if it was bad. Assuming that there was a problem back in January or before KG and the c's should have opted for surgery and he probably would have been back already. I just don't like being jerked around with dis-information