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OT:Ginobili Out for Season

Posted: Tue Apr 7, 2009 12:50 am
by Rocky5000
Does this eliminate the Spurs from contention? It seems more and more likely that the Lakers will have a very easy road to the finals, while we'll have to face the best 2 teams in the league (other than the Cs and Lakers) if we want to make it. I wonder why people still claim the West is the better conference?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4047838

Re: OT:Ginobili Out for Season

Posted: Tue Apr 7, 2009 1:15 am
by SuigintouEV
that's awful.

Re: OT:Ginobili Out for Season

Posted: Tue Apr 7, 2009 1:17 am
by BRUNiNHO91
They wouldn't contend even with Ginobili...so it's whatever...

Re: OT:Ginobili Out for Season

Posted: Tue Apr 7, 2009 2:19 am
by aboubata
I think the lakers road to the finals got easier but they still have to face
Round 1 = Dallas, Jazz or Hornets
Round 2 = Portland or Houston
Round 3 = Denver (or SA, but I think it will be denver)

I am hoping it will be Jazz, Portland, and Denver. All these 3 have a really good home advantage on the lakers.

Re: OT:Ginobili Out for Season

Posted: Tue Apr 7, 2009 7:31 am
by Avalanche
damn that sucks, they were one of the true threats to LA, at least to make it a hard road for them

plus i was kinda hoping for a KG/Duncan finals showdown

Re: OT:Ginobili Out for Season

Posted: Tue Apr 7, 2009 9:35 am
by Mahoney_jr
Avalanche wrote:plus i was kinda hoping for a KG/Duncan finals showdown


Me too. The world is waiting for Kobe/LeBron but I think a Duncan/KG matchup in the finals is what should have happened in this century.

So that's a pity but beating the Lakers again isn't too bad, he? ;)

Re: OT:Ginobili Out for Season

Posted: Tue Apr 7, 2009 11:33 am
by MyInsatiableOne
BRUNiNHO91 wrote:They wouldn't contend even with Ginobili...so it's whatever...


Exactly. They were honestly the one team that might have had a shot at upsetting the Lakers...now the Lakers will cruise to the Finals...

This has shades of the 1980s, where the Sixers or Celtics had to go through a brutal gauntlet to get to the Finals while the Lakers cruised in in a weak West...

Re: OT:Ginobili Out for Season

Posted: Tue Apr 7, 2009 3:47 pm
by campybatman
Avalanche wrote:plus i was kinda hoping for a KG/Duncan finals showdown



I so much wanted to see Boston versus San Antonio last season.



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Re: OT:Ginobili Out for Season

Posted: Tue Apr 7, 2009 8:10 pm
by SonicYouth34
As long as the Jazz are healthy, they can beat the Lakers.

Re: OT:Ginobili Out for Season

Posted: Tue Apr 7, 2009 8:58 pm
by BRUNiNHO91
SonicYouth34 wrote:As long as the Jazz are healthy, they can beat the Lakers.


Jazz would be my best bet in beating the Lakers out West. And look for Portland or Denver to make some noise in the playoffs too...

Re: OT:Ginobili Out for Season

Posted: Tue Apr 7, 2009 9:48 pm
by nonplayerzealot
MyInsatiableOne wrote:
BRUNiNHO91 wrote:They wouldn't contend even with Ginobili...so it's whatever...


Exactly. They were honestly the one team that might have had a shot at upsetting the Lakers...now the Lakers will cruise to the Finals...

This has shades of the 1980s, where the Sixers or Celtics had to go through a brutal gauntlet to get to the Finals while the Lakers cruised in in a weak West...


Being that I've watched all the Spurs/Lakers games in full over the last 2 yrs, I can ASSURE you...there weren't a serious threat to the Lakers, even when healthy. LA can cut thru them like butter, Odom on Bonner, Slowen and a rookie on Kobe, Ariza on Manu, two 7 footers in the paint to deter Parker. SA was living off of their reputation, which lingers because they still have some of the old core and can still win a lot of RS games.

NO has been the only Western team to play fairly well at Staples. However, their own HCA is the weakest among all Western teams save for Dallas. Portland are virgins, can't expect much out of them until they actually prove otherwise. Utah is a tough venue, but they can't beat good teams on the road for ****. I said CAN'T. All these teams have fatal flaws. Houston lost all 4 to LA, Denver has won at Staples only once in Melo's career, including LA's bad seasons.

Pod People.

Re: OT:Ginobili Out for Season

Posted: Tue Apr 7, 2009 10:22 pm
by Athanacropolis
nonplayerzealot wrote:
MyInsatiableOne wrote:
BRUNiNHO91 wrote:They wouldn't contend even with Ginobili...so it's whatever...


Exactly. They were honestly the one team that might have had a shot at upsetting the Lakers...now the Lakers will cruise to the Finals...

This has shades of the 1980s, where the Sixers or Celtics had to go through a brutal gauntlet to get to the Finals while the Lakers cruised in in a weak West...


Being that I've watched all the Spurs/Lakers games in full over the last 2 yrs, I can ASSURE you...there weren't a serious threat to the Lakers, even when healthy. LA can cut thru them like butter, Odom on Bonner, Slowen and a rookie on Kobe, Ariza on Manu, two 7 footers in the paint to deter Parker. SA was living off of their reputation, which lingers because they still have some of the old core and can still win a lot of RS games.

NO has been the only Western team to play fairly well at Staples. However, their own HCA is the weakest among all Western teams save for Dallas. Portland are virgins, can't expect much out of them until they actually prove otherwise. Utah is a tough venue, but they can't beat good teams on the road for ****. I said CAN'T. All these teams have fatal flaws. Houston lost all 4 to LA, Denver has won at Staples only once in Melo's career, including LA's bad seasons.


Interesting analysis. I have not had the chance to actually sit and watch Lakers/Spurs games this year, but from what you say it sounds like even at full strength, San Antonio had no hope against the Lakers. Not what I would have expected. I still think they're a dangerous team without Ginobli, but in my limited analysis, I think it's a long shot. It's akin to KG being out for good, as far as overall team impact.

And I'm so glad you got his reference:

Pod People.

Re: OT:Ginobili Out for Season

Posted: Wed Apr 8, 2009 1:54 am
by nonplayerzealot
Athanacropolis wrote:
Interesting analysis. I have not had the chance to actually sit and watch Lakers/Spurs games this year, but from what you say it sounds like even at full strength, San Antonio had no hope against the Lakers. Not what I would have expected. I still think they're a dangerous team without Ginobli, but in my limited analysis, I think it's a long shot. It's akin to KG being out for good, as far as overall team impact.

And I'm so glad you got his reference:

Pod People.


I just watched Track Of The Moonbeast yesterday, believe it or not. That show is brilliant. (Mike > Joel, imo).

Not saying the Spurs aren't still a very good team, but I think the media needs to let go of them. They remind me of the 2003 Lakers. I started reading & posting at this site in the 2002 offseason (banned a few times) ;) If you recall, that year they started off so poorly that the majority of posters on the Gen Board had the Lakers out of the playoffs as late as Feb 2003. They managed to right the ship a bit, but their mileage and threadbare bench was blatantly obvious despite 50 wins. You could see them losing out to SA from a mile away. That's where SA is right now.

It's not only LA who has the magic sword, either. The same problems they have now started to become blatantly obvious against NO last year. They must be panicking at the thought of drawing the Hornets in the 1st round. As you would expect, they suffer big time with Bonner and quite a bit with Hill, Oberto, and Slowin Bowen. Manu being absent doesn't help either, puts more pressure on Parker to score. He certainly can, but he's more of a speedster than a stud (no homo) like CP. When you have the personnel to close the lane on him, he's also not a Kevin Johnson, he'll shy away. That's the strategy LA used with Malone and Shaq in 2004 because he was killing Payton prior to that defensive change.

At any rate, LA handles the Western teams many times better than a lot of the Eastern teams. The Bobcats winning 6-7 is not a fluke, they play tenacious D for 48 mins. LA doesn't like that, as you know. I'm not here to stroke your egos, but I gotta be honest that Boston still looks like the biggest threat from where I'm standing. I don't know just how bad Garnett's knee is, but still. I doubt Cleveland has enough outside of Bron to win in 7 against LA, and I'm not sold on Bron's greatness until I see him become transcendent in the Finals. He strikes me as a lunkhead, frankly. The nickname LBJ doesn't fit him well considering how shrewd Pres Johnson was. A nice twist of fate is that LA focuses all on him and on clogging the lane, same thing Boston did to Kobe. I'll be damned if the strategy hasn't worked so far.

Re: OT:Ginobili Out for Season

Posted: Wed Apr 8, 2009 1:16 pm
by Athanacropolis
nonplayerzealot wrote:
I just watched Track Of The Moonbeast yesterday, believe it or not. That show is brilliant. (Mike > Joel, imo).


STOP TALKING, JOHNNY LONGBOW! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Not saying the Spurs aren't still a very good team, but I think the media needs to let go of them. They remind me of the 2003 Lakers. I started reading & posting at this site in the 2002 offseason (banned a few times) ;) If you recall, that year they started off so poorly that the majority of posters on the Gen Board had the Lakers out of the playoffs as late as Feb 2003. They managed to right the ship a bit, but their mileage and threadbare bench was blatantly obvious despite 50 wins. You could see them losing out to SA from a mile away. That's where SA is right now.

It's not only LA who has the magic sword, either. The same problems they have now started to become blatantly obvious against NO last year. They must be panicking at the thought of drawing the Hornets in the 1st round. As you would expect, they suffer big time with Bonner and quite a bit with Hill, Oberto, and Slowin Bowen. Manu being absent doesn't help either, puts more pressure on Parker to score. He certainly can, but he's more of a speedster than a stud (no homo) like CP. When you have the personnel to close the lane on him, he's also not a Kevin Johnson, he'll shy away. That's the strategy LA used with Malone and Shaq in 2004 because he was killing Payton prior to that defensive change.

At any rate, LA handles the Western teams many times better than a lot of the Eastern teams. The Bobcats winning 6-7 is not a fluke, they play tenacious D for 48 mins. LA doesn't like that, as you know. I'm not here to stroke your egos, but I gotta be honest that Boston still looks like the biggest threat from where I'm standing. I don't know just how bad Garnett's knee is, but still. I doubt Cleveland has enough outside of Bron to win in 7 against LA, and I'm not sold on Bron's greatness until I see him become transcendent in the Finals. He strikes me as a lunkhead, frankly. The nickname LBJ doesn't fit him well considering how shrewd Pres Johnson was. A nice twist of fate is that LA focuses all on him and on clogging the lane, same thing Boston did to Kobe. I'll be damned if the strategy hasn't worked so far.


I hear you about the Spurs. That SA-NO series last year was crazy; I was honestly surprised that the Spurs won it, although when the Hornets didn't put them away in game 3, I thought that they had made a big mistake by letting their foot off the gas. That's also kind of how I always felt about Parker--he tends to disappear when teams force him to the perimeter. Manu is a better all-around player, and I have to say he's fun to watch, so the playoffs will be a lot less entertaining out west this year.

About LeBron, I also agree: phenomenal player, but what has he won in the NBA? It's so obvious that league and marketing executives are drooling at the prospect of him winning a championship, but until he does, I'm not going to act like he's already the greatest player ever to set foot on Earth. (Not to take away from his talent...the guy is AMAZING.)

Re: OT:Ginobili Out for Season

Posted: Wed Apr 8, 2009 1:37 pm
by MyInsatiableOne
LeBron, right now, is the LaDanian Tomlinson of the NBA, right down to the whining to officials when **** don't go his way...

Win, and he becomes something more...until then...:wavefinger:

Re: OT:Ginobili Out for Season

Posted: Wed Apr 8, 2009 9:32 pm
by GuyClinch
I am rootin for the Jazz. I love to ski out there around Salt Lake - blows the crap out of any place in the east coast that I have skied IMHO. And its cheaper too. Throw in the fact that Ainge is a Mormon and all - and they have a C's affiliate. I think they are the obvious choice.

That being said much like last year when I predicted a Laker roll - I am predicting it again. I could see them losing a few road games to the Jazz (maybe 2) but I wouldn't be surpised if the swept most of other teams or won 4-1.

Despite Paul Pierce's ability to make Kobe look mortal - he is a real stud of basketball player.. Throw in the nice depth they have and the quality bigs like Gasol - and no one can touch them.

Pete