Gee, what a shocker...

MyInsatiableOne · Post #1 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:46 pm

Did hometown refs benefit Bulls?
"An NBA source pointed out before the Bulls-Celtics game that two of the referees were Chicago natives (Bill Kennedy and Dan Crawford). Kennedy also was involved in an incident with Rivers during the Bulls' St. Patrick's Day win in which both were fined by the league for jawing. The source also said that after the game family members of both referees departed wearing Bulls gear."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/m ... index.html

HighAboveCourtside · Post #2 » by **HighAboveCourtside** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:51 pm

We definitely had our opportunities to win that game (i.e. Paul Pierce missing the game-winning free throw, not fouling immediately on the inbounds before Gordon's 3), but the refereeing in that game was atrocious. The NBA really really *REALLY* needs to take a look at their officiating. It's the worst out of all the major sports, and a bad call can cost games.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #3 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 1:53 pm

That "clear path violation" against Baby, as well as that "foul" on Gordon when Baby backed all the way away and Gordon play-acted his big fall, was a **** travesty...

By far the worst officiated sport of all the majors....baseball umps, who have the most error-prone instances (safe/out, subjective strike-zones) do WAY better...

MyInsatiableOne · Post #4 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:03 pm

But wait, there's more!

http://www.redsarmy.com/home/2009/04/re ... -gear.html

I *do* think the NBA is rigged, perhaps not outright, but certain teams/players are DEFINITELY assisted...and this absolutely feeds into it. Honestly, as much as I love the C's, I don't care if they lose...it's just sports and I have way more important things in my life. But I'd rather they lose fair and square without me having to even *THINK* remotely that it wasn't....

Post #5 » by **Celtics_Champs** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:19 pm

If Doc had an incident with this ref before, Stern has to see that and not have the ref officiate this game.

It's ridiculous that he would schedule the ref that Doc got fined for criticizing for this series.

Every other sport if a official and a coach/player have had an issue, they schedule different refs.

I'm not saying it's rigged. Just a poor decision on Sterns part.

BakersDozen · Post #6 » by **BakersDozen** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:22 pm

I was only able to see the last 30 or so seconds of the 2ot since i was working so im not gonna say the game was rigged.... but wtf Stern. How are you going to have two refs from Chicago call the game? Not only that but have Bill Kennedy be one of them. Kennedy and Doc shouldnt be in the same arena again untill next season.

MyInsatiableOne · Post #7 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:46 pm

You guys are making the point exactly. Even the "appearance" of impropriety is enough to stoke the fires of conspiracy...like I said, I don't think the NBA is rigged in the sense that the outcome of the games are predetermined, but I *do* think that they purposely go easy on certain players and teams in order to get the outcomes they want...

vwoodruff · Post #8 » by **vwoodruff** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:58 pm

Come on... the game was actually called pretty well yesterday. The clear path foul on Scalabrine was indeed a clear path foul. I think it is a stupid rule, but they called it right.

The only issue I had with yesterday's zebras was the continued lack of respect Pierce gets. Unfortunately it happens all the time. He has to be the least respected star in this league. There have been so many calls that are ludicrous - or lack of calls. Yesterday was yet another example. There is no way an equivalent player in this league doesn't get the AND 1 on the three in Game 3. Or the calls on the drives. Or get called for an offensive foul on the step in during last year's finals when one of the Lakers flew by him and he leaned in for the contact.

I am a huge critic of NBA officiating, but I didn't think there was much to complain about yesterday.

DieselCeltic · Post #9 » by **DieselCeltic** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:58 pm

Can't blame the officiating for that lost. We lost fair and square.

Banks2Pierce · Post #10 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:17 pm

I agreed with the Scal clear path foul. The ticky tack on Perkins with 30 seconds left or so was inexcusable. That is twice now that they have taken the ball out of our hands with under a minute to go. The ticky tacks with under a minute to go are getting ridiculous. I thought maybe the refs just didn't know what they were doing. Now, I get the feeling they know EXACTLY what they were doing.

They are from Chicago and were doing a Bulls game in a must win situation??? This is one of the most absurd things I have ever heard about. If I were commissioner of a league, I wouldn't even let hometown guys do a REGULAR SEASON GAME. LET ALONE A VERY IMPORTANT PLAYOFF GAME. This is complete bs. Stern showed his hand now. He is behind this garbage.

Kefa461 · Post #11 » by **Kefa461** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:20 pm

but hey....it never matters.........we should have won anyways. :lol:

Kefa461 · Post #12 » by **Kefa461** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:23 pm

DieselCeltic wrote:Can't blame the officiating for that lost. We lost fair and square.

Yeah...like you know the game...... :lol:

I'll believe my own eyes...thank you..... 8-)

e in boulder · Post #13 » by **e in boulder** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:34 pm

We lost fair and square...

but some of those Pierce non calls were atrocious.

NBA officiating can be so frustrating some times...

girlygirl · Post #14 » by **girlygirl** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:37 pm

I agree that it's not a good idea to have a guy who already had one run-in with Doc Rivers referee this series (he could have been assigned to one of the other 1st round series, and then, if he graded out well and was assigned to the ECF or Finals and the Celtics made it that far, well, ok - can't remove the ref in that case).

But anyone who sees a conspiracy here is just stupid. The NBA has been pointing towards a Celtics-Cavs ECF all year -- they have no reason to want the Bulls to win this series. Also, there have been PLENTY of bad/shaky calls going against BOTH teams in this series. The refereeing has not been biased in favor of either team overall.

celticfan42487 · Post #15 » by **celticfan42487** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:42 pm

MyInsatiableOne wrote:That "clear path violation" against Baby, as well as that "foul" on Gordon when Baby backed all the way away and Gordon play-acted his big fall, was a **** travesty...

By far the worst officiated sport of all the majors....baseball umps, who have the most error-prone instances (safe/out, subjective strike-zones) do WAY better...

Baseball umps also have 5 minutes between each call. And hardly ever move from one place.

There greatest challenge should be to not fall asleep before the end of the game.

Banks2Pierce · Post #16 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:48 pm

girlygirl wrote:I agree that it's not a good idea to have a guy who already had one run-in with Doc Rivers referee this series (he could have been assigned to one of the other 1st round series, and then, if he graded out well and was assigned to the ECF or Finals and the Celtics made it that far, well, ok - can't remove the ref in that case).

But anyone who sees a conspiracy here is just stupid. The NBA has been pointing towards a Celtics-Cavs ECF all year -- they have no reason to want the Bulls to win this series. Also, there have been PLENTY of bad/shaky calls going against BOTH teams in this series. The refereeing has not been biased in favor of either team overall.

No, you are not getting it. While it would make sense for a Celts/Cavs rematch, the NBA cares about the commercial revenue for each game. Chicago and Boston are huge media markets. This series has also captivated the national audience looking for the upset. The more games the better, so prolonging a series is in the best interests of the people who want money in the NBA. So the conspiracies hold true on a series to series AND game to game basis.

Thanks for calling me stupid. I'm not just mad for when this happens to the Celtics. I am mad on a more general level. I feel for any of those fans that have had their dreams killed by greed. I love this sport and its legitimacy is getting destroyed by these greedy sob's.

Banks2Pierce · Post #17 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:50 pm

I would also like to make a game 6 prediction: If Boston wins game 5, I predict the biggest homer ref in the league, Dick Bavetta, will be doing Game 6 in Chicago.

girlygirl · Post #18 » by **girlygirl** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:04 pm

Banks2Pierce wrote:
girlygirl wrote:I agree that it's not a good idea to have a guy who already had one run-in with Doc Rivers referee this series (he could have been assigned to one of the other 1st round series, and then, if he graded out well and was assigned to the ECF or Finals and the Celtics made it that far, well, ok - can't remove the ref in that case).

But anyone who sees a conspiracy here is just stupid. The NBA has been pointing towards a Celtics-Cavs ECF all year -- they have no reason to want the Bulls to win this series. Also, there have been PLENTY of bad/shaky calls going against BOTH teams in this series. The refereeing has not been biased in favor of either team overall.

No, you are not getting it. While it would make sense for a Celts/Cavs rematch, the NBA cares about the commercial revenue for each game. Chicago and Boston are huge media markets. This series has also captivated the national audience looking for the upset. The more games the better, so prolonging a series is in the best interests of the people who want money in the NBA. So the conspiracies hold true on a series to series AND game to game basis.

Thanks for calling me stupid. I'm not just mad for when this happens to the Celtics. I am mad on a more general level. I feel for any of those fans that have had their dreams killed by greed. I love this sport and its legitimacy is getting destroyed by these greedy sob's.

I agree that the NBA prefers exciting drawn-out series to boring sweeps. But the Celtics haven't lost either of the games in this series because of the refs. Neither have the Bulls. The teams lost the games on their own through poor execution.

I repeat, refereeing in the NBA is just bad in general. The San Antonio Spurs hate Joey Crawford, yet he was assigned to work their playoff series again this year. And there have been numerous shaky/bad calls to go against BOTH teams in this series. B******* about poor calls doesn't change things.

If the Celtics lose this series, it won't be because of the refs.

Post #19 » by **UGA Hayes** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:05 pm

Realtive to the first three games I thought it was by far the worst officiated, though honestly it did go both ways. My biggest complaint is that Perk gets called for the most ridiculous offball plays, meanwhile the entire Chicago Bulls offense is predicated on the moving screen. They do it on every single play of the game and it hasn't been called once the entire series. Its a big deal because noah and Thomas aren't pick and pop guys, and rose isn'as like ly to shoot so it should be asy to defend. However there moving screen causes Rondo to have to switch and we keep getting matchups like Rose on Perkins.

Post #20 » by **DuckIII** » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:19 pm

MyInsatiableOne wrote:Did hometown refs benefit Bulls?
"An NBA source pointed out before the Bulls-Celtics game that two of the referees were Chicago natives (Bill Kennedy and Dan Crawford). Kennedy also was involved in an incident with Rivers during the Bulls' St. Patrick's Day win in which both were fined by the league for jawing. The source also said that after the game family members of both referees departed wearing Bulls gear."

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/m ... index.html

Doc Rivers is also from Chicago. Little did you guys know how deep the pro-Chicago conspiracy runs.

I mean, why do you think Isiah Thomas traded us two high lottery picks for Eddy Curry? The fix is in.