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The offseason - "less spoken of" options

Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 6:24 pm
by threrf23
This thread is solely for the purpose of discussing offseason "options" not involving Rasheed Wallace, Ron Artest, Stephon Marbury, Marion, AI, etcetera.

A few options to throw out there myself...

1.) Marcus Camby

The Clippers already have Kaman under contract, and Camby, expiring this season, probably wants to play for a winner. Are the Clippers interested in acquiring Big Baby?

2.) Tyson Chandler

Not any less of an injury threat than Camby. Younger than Camby but also an extra year (albeit with a player option) on his contract. Hornets want to get rid of him. They also quite arguably need defense from their SG position. They also want expiring contracts. TA/Scal/Baby works well enough.

Is Chandler much better than Baby? He's a much better rebounder when healthy.

These are examples of options that would, hopefully, firmly, solidify our front court depth for next season. We would still have the MLE to use and Powe would be healthy end of season (we would hope), and we would free up two roster spots if Scal & TA were part of a deal.

3.) Jamario Moon. The guy is rather similar to Posey, slightly younger, SF/PF but slightly too thin to really be considered a PF. A knock on him is that he purportedly has a low bball IQ...this is not reflected by objective statistical analysis over the past two seasons.

He is, statistically at least, a very solid defender. Per Hoopshype he gets faked out too often and goes for too many blocks. In that sense he is similar to Tony. But, he can knock down an open trey and doesn't turn the ball over much. In fact, he is actually one of the league's least TO prone players.

Heat, I think, can match an offer? I don't know. But they also have James Jones and Dorell Wright and Diawara under contract. I would rather land Marion or Odom but in lieu of ideal options like that I like Moon.

4.) Rashad McCants. He doesn't make sense on the surface. But for the LLE or so...Kings don't have minutes for him, he would request that they didn't match an offer. He has a lot of talent and a Giddens/McCants fight for a role or roster spot could help us out IMO.

Lastly, as an aside, I want to voice my support for the notion of bringing Gabe Pruitt back in lieu of a less than ideal back-up PG like Marbury. Nobody seems to be talking about Pruitt lately. Objectively, DA drafted him with an early second round pick and tends to know what he is doing. Statistically, he has a long way to go. However, so did Billups early on, and for what its worth, in lieu of a full explanation, after doing some end of season statistical analysis he finds himself on a list of 20 players underrated by traditional statistical measures (presumably due to hustle or bball IQ). He ranks 9th in this category if I use a cutoff of 350 minutes played. Others in the top 10 include Scal, Battier, Brian Cardinal, Bruce Bowen, Ben Wallace, and Dez Mason. Of course Marko Jaric and Jamaal Magloire also show up, but I still find it interesting to come across Pruitt's name there.

ETA...I forgot to mention Rasho Nesterovic, in lieu of more ideal front court options. He is experienced, can play solid D, and knock down a jump shot. Random fact: he and Perk are the only Centers in the history of the NBA to start alongside KG during a deep run into the playoffs. And, per one Minny beat writer, he is even better than Mark Blount.

http://www.mnsportsfans.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9889

(I needed an excuse to link the article, classic title. Apparently the original article is no longer online).

Re: The offseason - "less spoken of" options

Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 8:19 pm
by chakdaddy
These are good ideas.

Re: The offseason - "less spoken of" options

Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 11:22 pm
by vct33
I've mentioned it in other threads but I'll post it here also. I'd love to try to bring Josh Childress back over from Greece. I've heard several times that he was unhappy playing in Europe and would opt out of the deal if a reasonable NBA offer came his way.

He's just the kind of player I'd love to have coming off the bench to relieve Pierce. He's a high-energy guy who can play on both ends of the floor and he's a solid rebounder.

Re: The offseason - "less spoken of" options

Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 11:29 pm
by humblebum
Interesting thoughts.

I personally like Flip Murray as a "less spoken of" option... I believe he's a FA, not positive though. He's a scorer who can bring the ball up the court and act as a de facto PG. But he would provide solid scoring and spacing off the bench. And he's a bit bigger than Marbury which makes Eddie as a SG a little bit more palatable for me at least.

Linas Kleiza is also an interesting but probably unlikely guy.

Not that I'm really interested but Kapono would be a guy you could possibly get for TA and Scal's expirings... but I don't see that as truly addressing any needs for the Celtics except for adding a shooter and legit offensive option off the bench at the 2-3 spot.

Re: The offseason - "less spoken of" options

Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 7:59 am
by joeyswag

Re: The offseason - "less spoken of" options

Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 11:09 am
by Mahoney_jr
Kleiza, Moon, Childress

interesting options for the open 3/4 spot.

Thanks for adding variety :)

Re: The offseason - "less spoken of" options

Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 5:36 pm
by wigglestrue
Camby's availability is probably much higher now.

Any realistic scenarios where we get him?

Re: The offseason - "less spoken of" options

Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 7:44 pm
by threrf23
wigglestrue wrote:Camby's availability is probably much higher now.

Any realistic scenarios where we get him?


Before the Clippers won the lottery, there possibly would have been more interest in Baby.

Their front court depth (minus Camby) will stand as:

Kaman/Jordan
Griffin/Randolph

Baby is better than Deandre Jordan, IMO, maybe Randolph is considered a bad influence on Griffin, and Kaman is their only guy under contract thru 11/12.

Re: The offseason - "less spoken of" options

Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 8:51 pm
by ParticleMan
I've always liked Moon. We need some athleticism at the 2/3 spot. I think he's better than TA.

Kleiza is not terrible, but I don't see how he helps us that much.

It would be great to get Childress, but that would take the MLE methinks. He might be getting tired of tzatziki and Ouzo and all the beautiful women. or not.

Re: The offseason - "less spoken of" options

Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 2:07 am
by TheOGJabroni
A list of options to play back up 3 minutes:
Ron Artest
Matt Barnes
Josh Childress
Linas Kleiza
Shawn Marion
Jamario Moon
Andres Nocioni
Travis Outlaw
James Posey
Julian Wright

MLE bigs:
Marcus Camby (someone should be on the outs in LA)
Rasheed Wallace (will he come down to earth and settle for less money than he wants and a bench role?)

Re: The offseason - "less spoken of" options

Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 2:32 am
by Andrew McCeltic
We have a shot at getting 1 or 2 impact vets for the bench, via the MLE and trading Scal and TA's contracts, and/or S&Ting Davis- after that upgrade, we should try to improve on last offseason with an O'Bryant/Giddens-superior prospect or two (Yi? Swift? Kwame?)

MLE Options:
Marvin Williams (unlikely)
McDyess (attainable, makes the most sense)

Scal/TA or Davis trade possibilities:

Najera/Yi (Yi being semi-shopped)
Nazr Mohammed
Stephen Jackson ("4 more years", but a 6'8 defender and scorer)
Barbosa (if PHO cuts salary)

Vet Min or Partial MLE options:
Kwame Brown
Rob Swift
Marbury
Childress

Re: The offseason - "less spoken of" options

Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 2:43 am
by Andrew McCeltic
My Ideal Off-season

Sign McDyess.

Trade Scal, TA, Pruitt for SJax

Sign Rob Swift, Marbury

Re-sign Davis and Powe.

Perk/McDyess/Swift
Garnett/Davis/Powe
Pierce/SJax/Walker
Allen/House/Giddens
Rondo/Marbury