Scal&T.Allen possible trades?

klemen4 · Post #1 » by **klemen4** » Tue May 26, 2009 12:00 pm

Scal and Tony are in last year of the contract and so attractive players for teams trying to get rid of players with longer contracts.

$3,413,793 Scal
$2,500,000 Tony

That is around 6 mio per

I looked over the league and found only 3 players we could trade for:

Darius Songaila - 2 years left
$4,526,000
$4,818,000

Maybe the only possibility. With Washington over salary cap this year and with a lot of players under the basket Haywood, McGee,Jamison,Blatche, Pecherov,Thomas and posible pick in rookie pf Hill the would love to trade him.

Andres Nocioni - 3 years left
$7,500,000
$6,850,000
$6,650,000

The problem here is Sacto in nowhere near salary cap and they like Nocioni for his toughness and leadership.

Nick Collison - 2 years left
$6,250,000
$6,750,000

Also Oklahoma doesnt need to trade Colison salary wise. He could become expandable only if they get Griffin in the draft.

And that is all I could find.

Anyone sees some other options?

vwoodruff · Post #2 » by **vwoodruff** » Tue May 26, 2009 12:16 pm

Barbosa

Celtsfan1980 · Post #3 » by **Celtsfan1980** » Tue May 26, 2009 12:23 pm

Couldn't you also trade Scalabrine in a seperate trade and trade Pruitt and Allen in a seperate trade? You may not get great players, but you certainly should be able to upgrade. I haven't really studied the contracts so I'm not sure who you'd be able to acquire.

klemen4 · Post #4 » by **klemen4** » Tue May 26, 2009 12:37 pm

Leandrinho Barbosa
$6,600,000
$7,100,000
$7,600,000

I dont think Phoenix would be interested, because they can get a better package for him...also I dont see a need for sg/pg...We need backup sf or backup c...also one possibility is player who can play multiple positions sg/sf/pf...Artest like, but there are not many players like that.

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Than there are players like Foster:

Jeff Foster
$6,077,500
$6,655,000

He would be great, but no way Indy trades him.

One we could get is Mohammed:

Nazr Mohammed
$6,466,600
$6,883,800

But for that kind of money...I dont think so.

lojowo · Post #5 » by **lojowo** » Tue May 26, 2009 12:40 pm

http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/ ... 01&y3=2009

All three are servicable players. My guess is we'd have to see what holes couldn't be filled in free agency and make any of these deals based on the void the C's couldnt fill.

elrod enchilada · Post #6 » by **elrod enchilada** » Tue May 26, 2009 1:02 pm

Nazr Mohhammed and Charlotte's 2010 or 2011 no. 1 pick. We sweeten the deal with a no. 2 and cash.

bruno sundov · Post #7 » by **bruno sundov** » Tue May 26, 2009 1:34 pm

Does hoopshype still have that crazy virus that nearly took down my computer?

That is the place for the info.

klemen4 · Post #8 » by **klemen4** » Tue May 26, 2009 1:57 pm

What virus...Im using Hoopshype a lot and everything is ok

I took another look at all the teams and there really are no other possible options...

Golabki · Post #9 » by **Golabki** » Tue May 26, 2009 2:44 pm

If House picks up his option, could he be included in this type of trade? That could open more expensive players.

bruno sundov · Post #10 » by **bruno sundov** » Tue May 26, 2009 3:22 pm

klemen4 wrote:What virus...Im using Hoopshype a lot and everything is ok

I took another look at all the teams and there really are no other possible options...

There ws on going around a couple months ago. It really messed my computer up.

Havlicek17 · Post #11 » by **Havlicek17** » Tue May 26, 2009 3:27 pm

In addition to TA and Scal's salaries, we have around $1.5 Mil in trade exceptions acquired in the POB and Cassell trades late in the season to work with.

TheOGJabroni · Post #12 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Tue May 26, 2009 4:05 pm

I want Nocioni. Pull that trade, sign a GOOD backup big for the MLE (SHEED :pray:

), sign a decent backup PG for the LLE (maybe Marbury again?), Eddie accepts player option, let BBD walk if his asking price is too high.

Perk/Sheed/Semih Erdin
KG/Powe
P2/Nocioni/Sky Walker
Jesus/Eddie/JR
Rondo/Steph/Gabe

If Baby leaves, not a big deal if all this goes through.

All starters play about 32 minutes, leaving plenty of rest for the Big 3.

Until Powe recovers (hopefully he signs for min. when he is healthy), backups look like:
C Sheed 16
F Sheed/Nocioni 16 (depending on matchups)
F Nocioni 16
G Eddie 16
G Steph 16

Then when Powe is fully healthy, insert his minutes at the 4.

bruno sundov · Post #13 » by **bruno sundov** » Tue May 26, 2009 4:19 pm

I still like my idea of PHO clearing some cap space. They trade us Amare for the 2 allens and vealchop. Or whoever the hell else they want except paul,rono and the big ticket.

TheOGJabroni · Post #14 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Tue May 26, 2009 4:51 pm

I'm not sure how much Amare helps though. Perk and Garnett would both see signicant decreases in minutes and Amare is not the dominant defender they both are. And he's not exactly a selfless player either.

And I really like Amare fwiw.

Post #15 » by **sully00** » Tue May 26, 2009 5:10 pm

Scal and TA would return just below 7.5 mil in trade using the 125% rule.

Pruitt and Giddens are also possible expiring salary.

The trade exceptions are useless then can't be combined or added to another trade, they are simply an exception to aquire a minimum salaried player which you can do anyhow, which is why Boston was able to trade them for nothing.

Nocioni's contract is horrendous on top of that where does he play? You can't pay a guy 7 mil a year to play 20 mpg. He makes Walter McCarty look like MIchael Cage at the 4 spot you just can't do it.

Guys under contract that it is possible to trade for and actually make some sense are Pryzbilla, Camby, Foster. There are guys like Gadzuric and Etan Thomas that I can't get too excited about and then guys like Haywood who are probably too good.

There will be Jamal Crawford who as a player doesn't exactly look like a Celtic but can back up the 1 and the 2 add some size and shoot the 3 so in that sense he could replace Marbury and House and if you can get him into the defensive system you may have Ray's replacement in house. If Boston sent TA, Scal, Pruitt, and Giddens it would be enough, they could waive Pruitt and save 2.5 this season and it is all expiring so they get out of the 10 mil for next season. If nothing else the kid can shoot and score and doesn't turn the ball over a ton and has also shown he can do it coming off the bench.

This would be your roster

PG Rondo
SG Ray
SF Pierce
PF KG
C Perk
PG/SG Crawford
SF Walker
PF Big Baby (4 mil)
C Vet FA (5 mil)

Them maybe you get something out of the 2nd round pick and Erden or a bunch of Vet min guys. But you could upgrade the roster for next year and going forward and spend roughly the same cash.

Celts17Pride · Post #16 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue May 26, 2009 5:23 pm

elrod enchilada wrote:Nazr Mohhammed and Charlotte's 2010 or 2011 no. 1 pick. We sweeten the deal with a no. 2 and cash.

Nazr Mohhammed is done, stick a fork in him.

Scalabrine, Tony Allen, Giddens and a future 1st for Boris Diaw.

TheOGJabroni · Post #17 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Tue May 26, 2009 5:36 pm

sully00 wrote:Nocioni's contract is horrendous on top of that where does he play? You can't pay a guy 7 mil a year to play 20 mpg. He makes Walter McCarty look like MIchael Cage at the 4 spot you just can't do it.

I think Nocioni is a lot better than you are making him out to be, if he is in the right situation. Much like he would be off the bench for us.

sully00 wrote:There will be Jamal Crawford who as a player doesn't exactly look like a Celtic but can back up the 1 and the 2 add some size and shoot the 3 so in that sense he could replace Marbury and House and if you can get him into the defensive system you may have Ray's replacement in house. If Boston sent TA, Scal, Pruitt, and Giddens it would be enough, they could waive Pruitt and save 2.5 this season and it is all expiring so they get out of the 10 mil for next season. If nothing else the kid can shoot and score and doesn't turn the ball over a ton and has also shown he can do it coming off the bench.

This would be your roster

PG Rondo
SG Ray
SF Pierce
PF KG
C Perk
PG/SG Crawford
SF Walker
PF Big Baby (4 mil)
C Vet FA (5 mil)

Them maybe you get something out of the 2nd round pick and Erden or a bunch of Vet min guys. But you could upgrade the roster for next year and going forward and spend roughly the same cash.

And honestly, I don't see us being the favorites to win it a championship with this roster. Unless Walker is truly ready to play consistent minutes which no one can claim right now, and I am very high on Bill Walker. And Crawford... no thank you. Not someone I want on this team whatsoever.

Celts17Pride · Post #18 » by **Celts17Pride** » Tue May 26, 2009 5:38 pm

Jamal Crawford is about the worst choice for the Boston Celtics.

Just horrible.

Rocky5000 · Post #19 » by **Rocky5000** » Tue May 26, 2009 6:57 pm

Scal for Yi!
:lol:

return2glory · Post #20 » by **return2glory** » Tue May 26, 2009 7:02 pm

I don't think we are going to improve next here thru trades or the draft. We have to do it thru free agency.

Ainge and the owners need to do everything they can to get Matt Barnes and Antonio McDyess. Trevor Ariza and Zaza work as well. We need platers of the bench at that contribute in the playoffs. Resigning BBD is also something we have to do as well.