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Should extending Rondo happen now or next off-season?

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Should extending Rondo happen now or next off-season? 

Post#1 » by campybatman » Thu May 28, 2009 2:21 pm

In a way, it could be difficult to sign Rondo to an extension now. Because his agent probably would see it to be more advantageous for his client to wait. I don't think Ainge should wait, I don't think he can afford to wait. This article makes a good point. The timing of this situation for Boston isn't good. Ainge's in a precarious position. If only Ray's expiring contract were during this year as oppose to next year.

What do others think? Does Rondo have most of the leverage or Ainge?

Will Davis need to be sacrificed in an effort to free up more salary for Rondo? I think Ainge must really push the sign-and-trade option on Davis. Ideally, a team steps forward and makes a major raise in Davis' salary this season so Ainge can better gauge his decision here.

In my opinion, you don't wait on this. Decide right now, trade Ray or trade Davis. It can't be anymore simpler. Ainge has little choice on the matter. Lose Rondo to another team, and face a return to mediocrity and lottery placement. I mean not next season or perhaps the next... But, soon. Boston has nothing in young talent that represents the future besides Rondo and to a lesser extent Perkins. Hence, why it becomes imperative to keep Rondo.

Unless someone else breaks this down a different way opposite of this article. I'm resolved to this opinion.



No matter what the C’s do to shore up their bench this summer, they are going to be knee-deep in luxury tax debt throughout the coming season. That appears unavoidable, and any moves between now and the summer of 2010 will have to be made on the cheap.

After that, however, the landscape will change a little bit.

Everything changes in 2010. Ray Allen, who turns 35 next summer, is a free agent, and Paul Pierce, who will be 32, has an early-termination option as well. Allen may very well play out the remainder of his contract in Boston and then re-sign to finish his career here, but if he does, it’ll be on the cheap as he nears the back end of his career. The vast majority of his $19.77 million will come off the books, and the Celtics will have plenty of cash to spend.

A large chunk of it should be committed, as soon as possible, to locking down Rajon Rondo.

Rondo becomes a restricted free agent at the end of next season, entering a titanic free agent class that will include LeBron James and Dwyane Wade. If the Celtics want to save Rondo from entering the mayhem of next summer, they will find a way to figure out an extension now for one of the game’s most promising rising stars.

Restricted free agency is a simple concept. The Celtics have first dibs on Rondo — any team is willing to make the point guard an offer, but if the Celtics match that offer, Rondo is locked in.

Here’s the thing though. Now is not the time to get into a bidding war. Better safe than sorry — sign him now.

With Kevin Garnett locked into a megadeal through 2012 and Pierce unlikely to opt out, the Celtics have a ton of money already invested in their team after 2010. They don’t have enough cash to compete with the teams that are clearing house in preparation for the LeBron sweepstakes. It’s not worth the risk.

The way I see it, letting Rondo explore restricted free agency will likely lead to one of two scenarios:

1. A team with major rebuilding plans — New York, New Jersey, Detroit, Dallas, it could be anyone — signs LeBron or Wade. That team plans to build around the unbelievable athleticism of its franchise scorer, and to that end, its GM goes after a point guard with similarly unbelievable athleticism. That would be Rondo. The sky’s the limit with a championship at the line, so the team naturally outbids the Celtics. Rondo is gone.

2. A fringe contender in need of one more guard — Dallas, Philadelphia, Houston, maybe the Blake Griffin-led Clippers — goes after a star like Wade or Joe Johnson. The team gets outbid, and its GM overcompensates by spending too heavily on Rondo. The price isn’t right, the Celtics back down, and they’re out of luck.

Neither of these scenarios ends well for the C’s, does it?

A year from now, we’re going to see money thrown around with reckless abandon. It’ll be an offseason the NBA has never seen before. The Celtics, championship contenders right now, are in a position to resist change, which they can do by securing their most important pieces now.


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Re: Should extending Rondo happen now or next off-season? 

Post#2 » by Dave_From_NB » Thu May 28, 2009 2:40 pm

It all depends on whether a reasonable compromise on salary can be found with Rondo. There were some players who were slam dunk max players going into their second contract, and there was little point in teams not just doing an extension at max dollars just to shut down noise. I don't believe Rondo deserves max dollars, so Ainge and Rondo need to find some common ground where both are happy about amount. In favor of early signing, is avoiding the possibility of a bidding war. However, on the side of waiting is the chance of Rondo getting injured, or that he continues to show flaws that make a max contract not justifiable.

Although the dollars are quite different, I equate the situation to the early extension for Perkins. Everybody found a middle spot where they were happy. Celtics got a great deal, Perkins (who I think came from a relatively poor family) became set for life without taking another year with risk of injury in order to beef up the dollars. The only way Rondo should get extended is if there is a win/win sweet spot that can be found. Only Rondo and his agent know if that's possible, and at this point they aren't talking.
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Re: Should extending Rondo happen now or next off-season? 

Post#3 » by SonicYouth34 » Thu May 28, 2009 3:43 pm

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Re: Should extending Rondo happen now or next off-season? 

Post#4 » by Frank Lucas » Thu May 28, 2009 3:56 pm

This is the great debate of the off-season. Re-sign Rondo now or wait? I'm on the side for waiting. The Cs should worry about what other teams may or may not do. You have to think out the process and to be honest if some time is going to over-pay for Rondo then let them. Rondo is a great talent but he still has some holes in his game. Now I think Rondo is the future but let me prove it again next season. other then saving a few more dollars I don't see the upside in the Cs doing a deal now with Rondo. Let say the Cs don't sign Rondo, Ray Allen contrac is up and Pierce does opt out (only way I see Pierce opt-ing out is to help out the team). That leaves a lot of money left of the table for the Cs to play with. They could be players for D-Wade sweeptakes. There are a lof of what ifs in this case but I think you level your options open if your Boston.
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Post#5 » by BillessuR6 » Thu May 28, 2009 4:27 pm

Any other year I would say wait. But with so many teams clearing cap space for 2010 it is better to do it now...After Lebron, Wade, Bosh are gone teams will start overpaying for second tier FA`s and Rondo will be one of them...

6 years 60 million and let`s call it a day...
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Post#6 » by GuyClinch » Thu May 28, 2009 5:15 pm

Your kidding me right? Rondo loses us a series and we want to sign him early? I'd wait. Not until the offseason - but until the offseason after this one. So what if he is a free agent. We still have bird rights.
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Re: Should extending Rondo happen now or next off-season? 

Post#7 » by Bad-Thoma » Thu May 28, 2009 6:58 pm

Rondo loses us a series? That a pretty bold statement, he wan't at his best but neither was much of anyone, Perk being the exception. Pierce was erratic, Ray was a no show, Baby exceeded what we might have thought he could accomplish but was still inconsistent, Eddie was a no show, Kg and Leon were in suits.... we were excited to see Scal on the floor instead of Mikki. Your laying a lot at the feet of a 23 year old pg. Don't forget the Magic either, Dwight Howard really killed our penetration and made people shy away from the hoop, they weren't just bystanders while we blew it.

Sign Rondo asap, great pg's are hard to come by, lock this kid up. We're not going to find someone who is better, and if they did they'd be even more expensive. He's young, durable, talented, and getting better all the time. Lock him up, first priority IMO.
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Re: Should extending Rondo happen now or next off-season? 

Post#8 » by ryaningf » Thu May 28, 2009 7:14 pm

You DEFINITELY sign Rondo to an extension THIS SUMMER if one can be worked out. His career arch suggests he's going to be a top5 point guard and solid ASG choice for the next 6 seasons at least. You start with Devin Harris money and work your way up if necessary. If you wait till next summer, you're DEFINITELY going to have to pay more. Why wait? Give Rondo the money he deserves (he's already better than Harris in my opinion) and let him know he's the Cs future.
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Post#9 » by campybatman » Thu May 28, 2009 7:39 pm

OK, I reread and noticed that the article made a mistake in Ray's salary for next season. It's $18.7M and not $19.7M.

For those of you who think Ainge should wait this out. Can you further elaborate...? Because I'm not following you. What part of, "you've no choice" wasn't clear to you? I don't believe Ainge has a choice here. Alright, let Rondo sign elsewhere, don't concede. Let's examine the worst case scenario here. Who exactly is walking through that proverbial door...? This isn't a rhetorical question... Because Minnesota owns Boston's first round pick this year. A weak draft? OK, who then next year?

Be honest, Boston is a victim of their own worst timing. It was good timing that brought Boston Ray and Garnett, and it'll be bad timing that allows Rondo to go.
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Post#10 » by recruiter » Thu May 28, 2009 7:52 pm

Rondo isn't a great point guard. Lord knows, I remember how this board thought Gerald Green was great.

He's an improving point guard whose outside shooting is atrocious. His focus is poor, he takes plays off on the defensive end and he's sometimes lazy.

$8 mil per is the max amount I'm willing to go on an extension right now.
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Post#11 » by MVP16 » Thu May 28, 2009 8:00 pm

GuyClinch wrote:Your kidding me right? Rondo loses us a series and we want to sign him early? I'd wait. Not until the offseason - but until the offseason after this one. So what if he is a free agent. We still have bird rights.


Rondo losses us a series? That is a stretch and hope that was a joke. He almost put up a triple double in that series. Sure he didn't play well overall, but as the other poster mentioned, neither did anyone else beside Perk.

And the question of whether we should resign Rondo depends on the price. If a contract can be agreed to where Rondo gets less then 10M a year, then you probably extend him. If not, you wait until next year. That's not a big deal since Rondo is going to be a restricted FA.
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Post#12 » by BillessuR6 » Thu May 28, 2009 8:07 pm

Well, Rondo was pretty horrible against ORL. His biggest weakness is his inconsistency. And his "head".

I am not concerned about his jump shot it is his mentality that worries me...
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Post#13 » by klemen4 » Thu May 28, 2009 8:19 pm

He is a must sign this season...At least 15 teams will have a room for max. signing in 2010 and one of them could easily throw money at him

Damn he is close to being triple double pg...in 2010 he could get at least 12 mio per...

Sign him now!!!
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Post#14 » by Zin5 » Thu May 28, 2009 8:45 pm

If you can sign him under ten mill per year this summer, do it. His performance in the playoffs is going to boost his demands by a lot, whereas next summer we could gamble on him having a more average postseason and just a bit better of a regular season. My main problem with putting it off is going to be that there are so many teams going to be in the market for a free agent next year that someone could go ahead and offer him a max contract if he performs like he did in the postseason this year again next year in maybe another couple of series with the spotlight on him.
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Post#15 » by GuyClinch » Thu May 28, 2009 8:52 pm

Rondo losses us a series? That is a stretch and hope that was a joke. He almost put up a triple double in that series. Sure he didn't play well overall, but as the other poster mentioned, neither did anyone else beside Perk.


It's not a stretch or a joke. He is why no one else played well. Orlando sagged off of him ALL THE TIME forcing the rest of the team to play 4 on 5 basketball. You think if we had Billups or Devin Harris we would have lost that series? Hell no.

Rondo has been a huge help to our team. But I don't see the rush to resign him right as teams learn how to exploit him. His own coach said playoffs will always be the hardest part for him. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement. I don't care about triple doubles. I do care about PG's that hurt a teams half court offense with their inability to shoot.

Let's see how he adapts next season to the Orlando rules. If we have it your way we could EASILY see Danny signing some backup PG who runs the offense better in the half court. And we would be griping about Rondo stealing this guys minutes for years to come..

Do we want to resign a guy to huge dollars because he rips up teams that don't scout and gameplan against him but stumbles when they DO game plan him?

Will Rondo develop into a guy who keeps teams honest like a Tony Parker or will he end up being an weight which brings his teamates down.. Only time will tell. We have that time. I'd rather pay 12milion dollars for a sure thing they get locked into 60 million dollars and 6 years of a long armed Brevin Knight.

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Post#16 » by campybatman » Thu May 28, 2009 9:38 pm

If I were one of the people who doesn't believe Rondo is worth the X salary. Whatever that might be, none of us knows this yet. I'm either frugal or have a plan. The plan can be you go after Rubio in this year's draft, for instance. Or you attempt to acquire an established young starting point guard. Who? I don't know... Because you need trade assets to evoke interest from a trade partner. Assets Boston doesn't have this year. No trading for a young established point guard, no Rubio. You're back where you'd started. Extend Rondo.
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Post#17 » by MVP16 » Thu May 28, 2009 9:48 pm

The reason why we lost the series is because we couldn't knock down 3s. The main culprit was Ray Allen, who shot just 8-42 for the series. And while Pierce can say that Rondo's lack of jumpshot hurt him as Alston usually doubled off Rondo, Allen doesn't have such an excuse. And he was guarded by Redick. So Ray Allen is just as responsible for us losing if not more then Rondo.

Also I think Doc should deserve some blame. The reason why Rondo was "exposed" was because Doc took the ball out of his hands and gave it to Pierce so Rondo was forced to play off the ball many times. Look at the 2 games where Pierce got into foul trouble and we put the ball back into Rondo's hands. In game 2, Pierce barely played, Rondo got a triple double and we won in a blow out. In game 4, Pierce was again mired in foul trouble, Rondo shot over 50% and we won on their court. I'm not saying Pierce is at fault or that we are better with him off the court, but it was a mistake to run the offense through Pierce so much IMO.

Finally, give some credit to the Orlando defense which is very good. Look how Mo Williams is struggling and his game is shooting unlike Rondo who still gave you rebounds, assists and steals even though he was shooting bad. Orlando is a bad matchup for Rondo because of Dwight Howard protecting the paint. Just like Boston is a bad matchup for Dwight because Perk guards him really well. If Orlando lost the series, would it be because of Dwight Howard?

Sure Rondo has to improve his jumpshot, but his talent is clear to see and Brevin Knight isn't in his stratosphere. If Rondo was responsible for us losing the Orlando series, then he was responsible for us winning the Chicago series. I don't think Rondo is worth the max or close to it, mainly because a pg has to be really really really special to warrant that. But for something around 5/50 I think he's worth that. And you say Rondo isn't a sure thing, he's as much of a sure thing as Tony Parker was when he signed his 6 year 66 million extension. That worked out OK.
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Post#18 » by recruiter » Thu May 28, 2009 10:03 pm

Totally opposed to a max deal for a guy whose play is erratic, whose focus is subject to question and who can't manage to play hard every night.

Totally opposed. If Rondo and his agent want a max deal, start looking to move him.
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Post#19 » by Hemingway » Thu May 28, 2009 10:06 pm

The decision on Rondo will e determined by more factors than the dollar amount he is willing to sign for. Right now, we only have 3 salaries of note is KG PP and RA. If we want to and can add more salary this summer via the MLE or a creative trade (see my topic on deals where we trade Ray and get him back) than it would make sense to not resign Rondo as he is working for peanuts on his current deal. If resigning him now puts us another 10 mil over the cap that is 20 mil the team has to spend. Even if he increases his value by 2 mil next season there is still a lot of savings to be had keeping him at his current deal for the time being.
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Re: Should extending Rondo happen now or next off-season? 

Post#20 » by Dave_From_NB » Thu May 28, 2009 11:07 pm

Hemingway wrote:The decision on Rondo will e determined by more factors than the dollar amount he is willing to sign for. Right now, we only have 3 salaries of note is KG PP and RA. If we want to and can add more salary this summer via the MLE or a creative trade (see my topic on deals where we trade Ray and get him back) than it would make sense to not resign Rondo as he is working for peanuts on his current deal. If resigning him now puts us another 10 mil over the cap that is 20 mil the team has to spend. Even if he increases his value by 2 mil next season there is still a lot of savings to be had keeping him at his current deal for the time being.


I believe the way it works with an early extension, is that his current agreement runs its course before the extension kicks in. So there would be no change in his compensation this upcoming season.

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