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I read this on the CB site, an excerpt from the Ford draft rumor piece relating to Boston. I wouldn't do it, but this draft is supposedly deep with point guards. Or are they really combo guards? Anyways, the Kings would've to offer Kevin Martin for Ainge to consider trading Rondo, I would think.

The Kings have also reached out to the Celtics and would be willing to deal the No. 4 pick if they could get Rondo in return. The Celtics would likely want more than just the No. 4 pick for Rondo -- and the Kings might be willing to throw in either Jason Thompson or Spencer Hawes to make it happen.

I still think we are better off just keeping the team as it is. Add 2-3 pieces to the bench and win again next year. Unless you could pull a Amare, Wade, CP3 type player...

Whoa, what's going on behind closed doors. If we did this trade then Ray wouldn't be involved right? Thus we could still trade for the 5th pick too. Thus securing the 4th and 5th picks, but is that something a title team should do?

I think we have to be very careful because we know what we are trading, but not what we are getting.

What this rumor tells me is that your player is probably more valuable than most of the players that could go in the first round. Could Rubio go after the second and third picks? It's possible... But, trading Rondo to Sacramento reeks of one of those trades that you regret in hindsight, or could bite you in the rear later.

I doubt the Kings would want to trade Martin, and his contract could deter my interest.

I'm glad to see Danny is really working at his job. If we manage the right trade we can make the team even better, while getting a strong young player to extend the team.

I trust Danny not to make any stupid trades. He's just looking for improvement. Never stop calculating how to improve!

These trade rumors are making me nervous. Why don't we just trade Pierce and Garnett while we're at it, and we can start rebuilding.

A lot of users forget that we won the title with a sophomore point guard starting for us. Rondo's a great point guard, but he has some obvious weaknesses in his game that really just haven't been improved on much since they were exposed in 2008. I think this might be coming down to Danny thinking Rondo's overvalued at this point and he wants to keep a cost efficient team to maximize salary. Keep in mind, if we move Rondo and Ray, that means we'll have 2-3 players on cost controlled rookie salaries that will be able to contribute, as well as having some capspace in 2010 with the possible expirings we could get for Ray. There may also be someone in this draft that Ainge thinks ultimately has more potential than Rondo, say Jennings or Rubio, and that Ainge might think Ray's on his last legs and would like to capitalize on a near career year for someone like Evans, while being able to make a splash in 2010 and still having 2/3 of the big three.

All that said, I said it before, I don't think Rondo or Ray is on the table until I hear a report until I hear a rumor about Danny contacting NO about CP3. We all knew the love affair he had with him that he offered our franchise player for a chance to draft him. Capspace/quality player (Ray) and another bright young point guard (Rondo) for CP3 and a bad contract or two makes too much sense to not be a logical offer by Danny.

Count me in as someone who is a fan of both Thompson and Hawes. If we could acquire either of those two PLUS the 4th pick, and the only valuable piece we have to give up is Rondo, then I would seriously consider dealing with Sacramento.

CalderCup wrote:Count me in as someone who is a fan of both Thompson and Hawes. If we could acquire either of those two PLUS the 4th pick, and the only valuable piece we have to give up is Rondo, then I would seriously consider dealing with Sacramento.

If it was Thompson, I'd gladly include S&T Baby or Powe to make it more even (personally I don't think the 4th/Thompson or Hawes is worth only Rondo). I still probably would do the same for Hawes, but it leaves us a little thinner at the 4 (maybe fix with the MLE? Wallace?). Hawes seems more like an Ainge guy though and would make more sense.

The obvious problem with this rumor is that Hawes isn't going to supplant Perkins as the starting center next season, and whichever player, presumingly a point guard, selected with the fourth pick can't be expected to contribute right away as a rookie. Would you select Rubio and attempt to sign Andre Miller to start? Or do you trade the Sacramento pick to Portland and see what you can acquire back. I would ask them for Oden and Blake. My thinking is, Portland could see this as an opportunity to move Oden who's progressing much slower than what was probably expected when he was selected ahead of Durant. I understand he's coming back from a season ending injury that ended his rookie season. But, you ask about him anyways.

Oden and Blake for Scalabrine, T. Allen, House, Giddens and the fourth pick (Stephen Curry).

From Charlotte Observer writer Rick Bonnell:

The way I hear it, the Blazers (currently picking 24th) are nosing around to trade up and have Stephen Curry in their sights. Enough teams are willing to deal down that this is a real possibility. And it would be great for Curry in this regard:

A long-time NBA scout told me months ago that the ideal situation for Curry is to play point guard on a team with a shooting guard who can also handle the ball. That would allow Curry to spot up some, and maximize the impact of his shooting.

The Blazers have just such a player in Brandon Roy. Strikes me as a great match of a player and a system.

Steve Blake (11.0 ppg, 5.0 apg, 42% 3PA) wasn’t bad at point guard for the Blazers this season, but he’s not good enough for them to settle at the position; ideally he’s a backup PG on a contending team. Jerryd Bayless is the logical successor to Blake as soon as he gets more experience, but Bayless may be better suited as an off-the-bench scoring combo guard.

Besides, considering that the Knicks took a long look at Bayless in last year’s draft before deciding on Danilo Gallinari, Bayless would probably be part of the trade package for New York’s #8 pick, where Curry should be available and the Knicks are said to be coveting the Davidson star. The Wizards (5th) and Warriors (7th) may also be in the market for Curry.

http://dimemag.com/2009/06/nba-draft-09 ... hen-curry/

BRUNiNHO91 wrote:I still think we are better off just keeping the team as it is. Add 2-3 pieces to the bench and win again next year. Unless you could pull a Amare, Wade, CP3 type player...

I agree. Though its fun to see all these trade rumors ala 2007-2008

bonsaiflipflops wrote:The obvious problem with this rumor is that Hawes isn't going to supplant Perkins as the starting center next season, and whichever player, presumingly a point guard, selected with the fourth pick can't be expected to contribute right away as a rookie. Would you select Rubio and attempt to sign Andre Miller to start? Or do you trade the Sacramento pick to Portland and see what you can acquire back. I would ask them for Oden and Blake. My thinking is, Portland could see this as an opportunity to move Oden who's progressing much slower than what was probably expected when he was selected ahead of Durant. I understand he's coming back from a season ending injury that ended his rookie season. But, you ask about him anyways.

Oden and Blake for Scalabrine, T. Allen, House, Giddens and the fourth pick (Stephen Curry).

From Charlotte Observer writer Rick Bonnell:

The way I hear it, the Blazers (currently picking 24th) are nosing around to trade up and have Stephen Curry in their sights. Enough teams are willing to deal down that this is a real possibility. And it would be great for Curry in this regard:

A long-time NBA scout told me months ago that the ideal situation for Curry is to play point guard on a team with a shooting guard who can also handle the ball. That would allow Curry to spot up some, and maximize the impact of his shooting.

The Blazers have just such a player in Brandon Roy. Strikes me as a great match of a player and a system.

Steve Blake (11.0 ppg, 5.0 apg, 42% 3PA) wasn’t bad at point guard for the Blazers this season, but he’s not good enough for them to settle at the position; ideally he’s a backup PG on a contending team. Jerryd Bayless is the logical successor to Blake as soon as he gets more experience, but Bayless may be better suited as an off-the-bench scoring combo guard.

Besides, considering that the Knicks took a long look at Bayless in last year’s draft before deciding on Danilo Gallinari, Bayless would probably be part of the trade package for New York’s #8 pick, where Curry should be available and the Knicks are said to be coveting the Davidson star. The Wizards (5th) and Warriors (7th) may also be in the market for Curry.

http://dimemag.com/2009/06/nba-draft-09 ... hen-curry/

Oden is still highly sought after, and he is coming off a major surgery this past year. If he can stay healthy, and remember, he should still be in college, he will dominate. Oden is still a bigtime prospect.

Another reason I feel that Ainge might be able to pry Oden from Portland's possession is that they'll need to extend both Roy and Aldridge next off-season or before then. Oden's rookie contract soon expires as well. It could be a fair trade-off for them to do as I'd suggested. In doing so, they're essentially leapfrogging all the other teams selecting that high from getting him. Why not do it? For them, they've a chance to get themselves in a good position to select the player they most covet this year. If Curry is gets an opportunity and really succeeds in their system, the move looks brilliant to their fans. For Boston, you acquire another young center to pair with Perkins. Clifford Ray, Perkins and Garnett will help him to become a tougher player. With those two players constantly in his ear, he'll get mean in a hurry. That is, if his personality will allow it. And Blake serves as your short-term replacement for Rondo until a true successor is found in a future draft. Perhaps, you keep Pruitt around to serve as his backup.

If Boston were to acquire the fourth pick in the draft, if you're Portland, you would've to be tempted to call Ainge and work something out. But, no Oden, no deal, in my opinion. The deal has to be advantageous for both parties. It could be for Boston if both Oden and Blake are the acquisitions. On the other hand, I can imagine Portland making a counter offer of: Blake, Outlaw and their first round pick (twenty-fourth) in exchange for the fourth pick and players. I guess it'll be Scalabrine, Tony and Davis in a sign-and-trade to make the deal work salary wise.

Why would the Celtics be interested with a high lotto (Potential Rubio, Jennings, Harden, Holiday, Evans level prospects) and a young big in either Hawes and Thompson?

The Celtics are basically in the championship window mode. As much I like Rondo, this trade seems unrealistic for the Celtics IMO. I just don't get why Celtics would respond to the Kings interest. (Probably another Chad Ford BS story)

*And to the OP, as much I like Rondo, I'm not willing to give up Martin for him. I think the point was to pair Rondo up with Martin IMO.*

C'mon there is no way in tarnation that Portland gives up on their franchise big man after 1 season. No way. He was a rookie last year, and just think about how much Perk improved from his rookie season until now. Oden has similar potential, which means his upside is to be completely dominant. As for money, it's Paul Allen we're talking about. The guy is not afraid of luxury tax.

I think Blake is an excellent idea if we could pry him away without giving up Rondo or any starter. I'd trade anyone on our bench for him.

kingsfan10 wrote:Why would the Celtics be interested with a high lotto (Potential Rubio, Jennings, Harden, Holiday, Evans level prospects) and a young big in either Hawes and Thompson?

The Celtics are basically in the championship window mode. As much I like Rondo, this trade seems unrealistic for the Celtics IMO. I just don't get why Celtics would respond to the Kings interest. (Probably another Chad Ford BS story)

*And to the OP, as much I like Rondo, I'm not willing to give up Martin for him. I think the point was to pair Rondo up with Martin IMO.*

They probably aren't... A lot of these rumors are pure speculative. But, as a fan, you pass the time discussing stuff like this since the team got an early off-season. Personally, as I'd said, I wouldn't do the deal. If I do, I would use it [fourth pick] or trade it.

For all we know, Sacramento could've their minds elsewhere and haven't even fathom the notion to trade the pick for Rondo. Like Rivers said...



...we’ve got a huge trade we’re going to announce. I’m just joking. There’s no trade coming. (Laughs) No, no we’re good. I like who we are. I think we do have to add some length to our basketball team as well, especially with Leon Powe maybe not coming back for at least til midseason or later. We’ve got to add one more big to our team. Other than that, I love our basketball team, I love our guys, and I think we’ll be in great shape next year.

http://greenstreet.weei.com/sports/bost ... es-on-pti/

I know Rondo is in a league under the big three, but what he does is huge. I'm really surprised a handful of you guys would let him go for hawes and JT. I like hawes too but, not for Rondo. There is no way Danny picks Rubio to take Rondo's spot either (not that yall were saying that).

We're a championship team with one of greatest players of all time. He happened to be out when we needed him. We would have trashed the lakers this year. What can we do to get better? Besides having kg in the play offs? What have we heard and already know?

We need...
- a lengthy sf to help with d and give Pierce some rest
- a legit big that can hit an elbow jumper.
- a back up pg that can bring the ball up.

We don't trade Rondo or Ray Allen to get these guys. These are the guys that play after Ray and Rondo are off the court.

Damn...

This is probably the last offseason where the Celtics can improve their roster for the long-term. After next season you either resign Ray or let him go. You have to resign Rondo, sign and trade him, or let him go. You'll be picking late in the first round with no capspace. So basically this is Ainge's last chance to ensure this teams ability to compete as KG and Pierce fade. He's exploring all of his options. And the reality is that the valuable assets happen to be Rondo and Ray. So Danny is simply establishing their values to see what's available/possible. Next offseason neither of these guys have anywhere near the value they have now. So it's clearly a sell high situation. I think Ainge is right on track.

What humblebum said made sense. People here keep talking about how we can trash the Lakers/Cavs if we have KG and that our starting 5 are ok. Uh, get real people. Even before KG went out, the Lakers swept the regular season series and the Cavs showed us that they can blow us away.

Our big 3 is fading fast; next year is the last run for a championship. I think Ainge is thinking farther than next year alone. He knows with the current group, we just don't have enough firepower to overcome the Lakers/Cavs. Those teams are much taller, quicker and more athletic than the Celtics. Rondo is good, but I think we need a guard that can shoot to make life easier for the big 3. Sure we won the championship with Rondo, but it wasn't really him that made us go over the top, it was our defense. If we can get a guard that can shoot, pass and play decent enough defense then I think letting Rondo go would not hurt much. I don't like Rondo's lazy defense anyway. As far as trading Ray, I think this is good for the future for the Celtics. He is pretty much useless in the playoffs anyway and a liability on defense.

We have to keep the flow of Celtics winning tradition. Keeping the starting core will only hurt us in the future; there would be no interest/value for Rondo/Ray by then.

kingsfan10 wrote:Why would the Celtics be interested with a high lotto (Potential Rubio, Jennings, Harden, Holiday, Evans level prospects) and a young big in either Hawes and Thompson?

The Celtics are basically in the championship window mode. As much I like Rondo, this trade seems unrealistic for the Celtics IMO. I just don't get why Celtics would respond to the Kings interest. (Probably another Chad Ford BS story)

*And to the OP, as much I like Rondo, I'm not willing to give up Martin for him. I think the point was to pair Rondo up with Martin IMO.*

Rondo didn't play well vs. the Lakers, Cavs, and Magic. If Ainge doesn't feel they can win another Championship with Rondo as the starter and sees the potential of getting decent prospects as well as adding a point guard who can hit the open jumper, it makes sense to trade him. If I was Sacramento, I probably wouldn't do the trade unless Davis was added.