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Thought this was interesting:

"With that in mind, contrary to a Yahoo! report, the Nets have had no conversation with the Cavaliers since mid-February regarding Vince Carter for anybody, much less Sasha Pavlovic and Ben Wallace, who talked about retiring but is not about to forfeit $14M. Zero! Would Ratner love to be save $33M, which is what Carter is owed over the next two seasons? No doubt. But only if the Nets got to keep his 20- point average, sprinkled with plenty of 30s and a few 40s. Or could get a cheaper clone who, don't forget, also must donate five assists and five rebounds per outing." New York Post

Does Ray Allen fit this criteria? Do teams trade within there own division? New Jersey would be saving a ton of money. Which happens to free up space for Jay-Z's favorite NBA player to open up there new arena. Ummmm

Boston:

Ray Allen

New Jersey:

Vince Carter
Sean Williams
#11

New Jersey probably doesn't do that, RIGHT?

They'd probably do it, but would we? I personally would if KG, PP and DA had a Pow-wow with Carter and made sure he had the commitment to 90+ games of solid d and all around effort.

I kinda wished the Cavs made that trade and completely ignored their terrible front court so KG and Perk could dominate them en route to #18

I would argue that Carter is in a similar situation as P2 was before KG, and Ray came in and changed the culture of our franchise. I think VC would welcome an opportunity for a chance at ring. Effort is an issue with VC, but there's no questioning his talent, IMO.

You think Jersey does this exact trade with Williams and the #11? I thought that might of been a high price.

Ypu never know with Jersey. They'd have like 40+ million in cap space in summer '10. That's 'Bron + Bosh and you add that to Lopez and Harris...scary stuff there.

Not saying this would happen(because there both in our division), but if you combine my two trade offers you come up with a lineup of:

Perk/ Williams/FA?
KG/Big Baby
PP/Walker/FA?
VC/E. House/FA?
Calderon/Marbury?

I know we aren't going to sign that many FA's but I have no idea which way we would go. We would also have the #9. I would love that starting five!!

I think NJ would do this...there just aren`t many team willing to take on Carter`s contract...I think we could get even more back...

Some of the NJ guys think this trade is laughable. I think there in denial of VC's contract and his age. He's 32.5. There's not a lot more time to unload him. I think Boston has all the power if this move was in the works.

Ray ain't exactly a spring chicken. This would be a pure contract dump to prepare for 2010. I think I'd have to do this trade. VC as the main man is scary given his inconsitent effort, but as 2nd or 3rd fiddle he'd be an amazing option.

ParticleMan wrote:Ray ain't exactly a spring chicken. This would be a pure contract dump to prepare for 2010. I think I'd have to do this trade. VC as the main man is scary given his inconsitent effort, but as 2nd or 3rd fiddle he'd be an amazing option.

I agree. I think if VC doesn't have to concentrate on being "the man" he can get more people involved, maybe use that athleticism to play some defense.

This would be a disaster. Nobody has ever won anything with Vince Carter, he is a whopping year younger than Ray with another year on his deal. He is much more focused on his individual performance than is his team's performance.

Ray has proven to be an efficient offensive weapon in a reduced role, that is never anything that we have seen from Carter. I think you would see his numbers and happiness reduce significantly taking 13-14 shots a game and not having the ball in his hands. Vince is headed for a Jerry Stackhouse decline not a Reggie Miller one.

The deal breaker is the #11 pick. I just don't see Jersey adding that to the deal. Maybe instead Yi? Anderson? Douglas-Roberts?

sully00 wrote:This would be a disaster. Nobody has ever won anything with Vince Carter, he is a whopping year younger than Ray with another year on his deal. He is much more focused on his individual performance than is his team's performance.

Ray has proven to be an efficient offensive weapon in a reduced role, that is never anything that we have seen from Carter. I think you would see his numbers and happiness reduce significantly taking 13-14 shots a game and not having the ball in his hands. Vince is headed for a Jerry Stackhouse decline not a Reggie Miller one.

Wow sully! Sounds like your talking about Paul Pierce before KG got here. How funny is that . I think PP should be taking 12-13 shots a game, and VC taking 18-20 shots a game if this move was made. Paul can handle the end of the game duties.

sully00 wrote:This would be a disaster. Nobody has ever won anything with Vince Carter, he is a whopping year younger than Ray with another year on his deal. He is much more focused on his individual performance than is his team's performance.

Ray has proven to be an efficient offensive weapon in a reduced role, that is never anything that we have seen from Carter. I think you would see his numbers and happiness reduce significantly taking 13-14 shots a game and not having the ball in his hands. Vince is headed for a Jerry Stackhouse decline not a Reggie Miller one.

No one has any idea what would happen if VC had a lesser of a role. You can't just say he'd automatically be unhappy. I am absolutely positive that many felt the same issues would occur with our very own Paul Pierce. Even us Celtic fans had no idea at all about how the Big 3 would be able to share the ball. We are lucky that it was so effortless. Even if VC needed more touches I am sure Paul would not mind taking less shots at this point in his career either. We know that KG and Paul will do whatever it takes to make this team successful. There is a good chance VC will understand what needs to be done on a team like this.

And to your other point, what exactly had KG, Ray, or Paul won before they were joined together? NOTHING. Obviously we know what we will get out of Ray as a 3rd option, and we are unsure about Vince. But you HAVE to pull the trigger on this deal if it is presented. Sean Williams could be special in the right situation. And this is about as right as it can get. AND the number 11 pick? You have to do it.

Celtics>Breathing wrote:

sully00 wrote:This would be a disaster. Nobody has ever won anything with Vince Carter, he is a whopping year younger than Ray with another year on his deal. He is much more focused on his individual performance than is his team's performance.

Ray has proven to be an efficient offensive weapon in a reduced role, that is never anything that we have seen from Carter. I think you would see his numbers and happiness reduce significantly taking 13-14 shots a game and not having the ball in his hands. Vince is headed for a Jerry Stackhouse decline not a Reggie Miller one.

Wow sully! Sounds like your talking about Paul Pierce before KG got here. How funny is that . I think PP should be taking 12-13 shots a game, and VC taking 18-20 shots a game if this move was made. Paul can handle the end of the game duties.

LOL wow took the words right out of my mouth ^

bosFcelts wrote:

sully00 wrote:This would be a disaster. Nobody has ever won anything with Vince Carter, he is a whopping year younger than Ray with another year on his deal. He is much more focused on his individual performance than is his team's performance.

Ray has proven to be an efficient offensive weapon in a reduced role, that is never anything that we have seen from Carter. I think you would see his numbers and happiness reduce significantly taking 13-14 shots a game and not having the ball in his hands. Vince is headed for a Jerry Stackhouse decline not a Reggie Miller one.

No one has any idea what would happen if VC had a lesser of a role. You can't just say he'd automatically be unhappy. I am absolutely positive that many felt the same issues would occur with our very own Paul Pierce. Even us Celtic fans had no idea at all about how the Big 3 would be able to share the ball. We are lucky that it was so effortless. Even if VC needed more touches I am sure Paul would not mind taking less shots at this point in his career either. We know that KG and Paul will do whatever it takes to make this team successful. There is a good chance VC will understand what needs to be done on a team like this.

And to your other point, what exactly had KG, Ray, or Paul won before they were joined together? NOTHING. Obviously we know what we will get out of Ray as a 3rd option, and we are unsure about Vince. But you HAVE to pull the trigger on this deal if it is presented. Sean Williams could be special in the right situation. And this is about as right as it can get. AND the number 11 pick? You have to do it.

Ditto that!! Great minds ........

PopularByDemand wrote:The deal breaker is the #11 pick. I just don't see Jersey adding that to the deal. Maybe instead Yi? Anderson? Douglas-Roberts?

It's not going to be Yi because they just started some big ad deal in China with him as their center piece. To bad because I like Yi a lot!

If this deal didn't get done it definately would be because of the #11. But Boston would have to have that included IMO. Maybe we throw in a future 1st.

PopularByDemand wrote:The deal breaker is the #11 pick. I just don't see Jersey adding that to the deal. Maybe instead Yi? Anderson? Douglas-Roberts?

I feel like the 11 is too much as well. I don't see them getting rid of Yi just yet. He brings in so much revenue to them. I would like to see CDR on the C's because he can what we had hoped we were getting out of TA, without the bonehead plays. But I don't feel Ainge feels the same because we could have had him rather than JR in the draft.

Celtics>Breathing wrote:

sully00 wrote:This would be a disaster. Nobody has ever won anything with Vince Carter, he is a whopping year younger than Ray with another year on his deal. He is much more focused on his individual performance than is his team's performance.

Ray has proven to be an efficient offensive weapon in a reduced role, that is never anything that we have seen from Carter. I think you would see his numbers and happiness reduce significantly taking 13-14 shots a game and not having the ball in his hands. Vince is headed for a Jerry Stackhouse decline not a Reggie Miller one.

Wow sully! Sounds like your talking about Paul Pierce before KG got here. How funny is that . I think PP should be taking 12-13 shots a game, and VC taking 18-20 shots a game if this move was made. Paul can handle the end of the game duties.

Wow shows what you and the rest of the people supporting this idea know. Paul Pierce takes 13-14 shots a game now, even in a season that KG missed a 3rd of. He also did this his first year under Doc with Ricky Davis and Raef and eventually Antoine to share shots with. There aren't 18-20 shots a game for VC in Boston, who is a less effective and accurate scorer than Pierce and absolutely allergic to defense.

How is Vince Carter an upgrade to Ray Allen? What are you bringing him to Boston to do? He is 32 years old what is the point?

sully00 wrote:...
How is Vince Carter an upgrade to Ray Allen? What are you bringing him to Boston to do? He is 32 years old what is the point?

As with any trade involving Ray, the total package you get back in return must add up to better production per 48 than Ray would give you. It'd not be just Ray vs VC.

I'm not advocating this trade, but I could see how something along these lines could work out. Danny would have to get back something pretty good in addition to VC in order to help them rid themselves of VC's extra year of salary. We need a backup big, a backup SF, and an backup PG, so maybe something like VC and Dooling and #11, or VC and Jarvis Hayes and #11 would work. Both Dooling and Hayes would be upgrades at their respective backup positions, and VC is comparable in talent to Ray, although I think Ray is more efficient. We'd then still have our MLE, LLE, and our other expirings to bring in the other two backup needs.

Who knows what Danny might do with the #11. He could just take BPA, as it's unlikely any rookie will see much PT anyway.

Well it is not the worst trade idea the board has seen. What we don't know is what Ray is willing to take for a contract extension. If we could add 1 more year to his deal, he would be an expiring next year and that might be the route to take.