What Has Rondo Done to Get Run Out of Town?

girlygirl · Post #1 » by **girlygirl** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:14 am

Non-Celtics fan here! I'm totally confused why Rondo is showing up in all these trade rumors. He blew up in the playoffs and has got all this upside...but the Celtics seem awfully eager to move him. At least if You go by the rumor mill...

Did he do something to totally alienate the entire Celtics organization?

Dogen · Post #2 » by **Dogen** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:18 am

girlygirl wrote:Non-Celtics fan here! I'm totally confused why Rondo is showing up in all these trade rumors. He blew up in the playoffs and has got all this upside...but the Celtics seem awfully eager to move him. At least if You go by the rumor mill...

Did he do something to totally alienate the entire Celtics organization?

Too many triple doubles in the playoffs. That was really annoying I guess.

No, I think this is a Danny Ainge sell high move.

Rocky5000 · Post #3 » by **Rocky5000** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:20 am

Just trying to move a very good player before he demands a large contract for more established players at other positions.

Inside/Outside · Post #4 » by **Inside/Outside** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:21 am

He ate Danny Ainge's special dietary lunch, same as Antoine Walker.

It sounds like they're getting cold feet about giving him a huge contract extension and they're shopping him around while his value couldn't be higher. There's speculation that it has something to do with off the court problems in a "not really a bad guy but still kind of a headache" way, but it's mostly conjecture at this point.

LuckyLeprichan · Post #5 » by **LuckyLeprichan** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:23 am

girlygirl wrote:Non-Celtics fan here! I'm totally confused why Rondo is showing up in all these trade rumors. He blew up in the playoffs and has got all this upside...but the Celtics seem awfully eager to move him. At least if You go by the rumor mill...

Did he do something to totally alienate the entire Celtics organization?

That is exactly why. Ainge appears to belive in the "sell high buy low" philosophy. Rondo's value right now is probably higher than it ever will be even if he progresses further and develops on offense because on top of having a really nice April and May, he is also cheap labor in a bad economy. Ainge knows this and thinks there might be a team that values Rondo more than we do and will give us something that we might value more than Rondo. We would be dumb to not explore all options right now.

rikrox4 · Post #6 » by **rikrox4** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:30 am

I really do not think they are trying to shop Rondo. First of all, why would the Pistons trade their whole core for a 34 year old Ray Allen, and one emerging prospect. This is one of those cases in which GM's are trying to "hit a home-run". However, "if there is some smoke, there is some fire" in terms of Rondo. This is the third time I believe in which Rondo has been made mention of in trade talks. These talks have been with the Pistons, Kings for the 4th pick, and the Phoenix Suns. Rondo was such an integral part to the Celtics season and Playoff run, ousting Derrick Rose and alongside Ray Allen, helping the Celtics win their series against Chicago. Questions have risen regarding Rondo's "coachability" and his sometimes stubborn and selfish antics in the locker room. There is no question concerning Rondo's talent, but it may just have to do with chemistry and fit. We heard the same things when Rondo first came into the league and his attitude in Kentucky.

girlygirl · Post #7 » by **girlygirl** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:31 am

Ok -- well seems dumb to me. He isn't likely to break the bank as a FA...he's still not at the CP3 level of PG. And with Garnett, Pierce and Allen all well into their 30's, I would think the Celts would look to try and build around their young PG.

But then again, lots of moves in the NBA leave me scratching my head (like the Wiz/T-Wolves deal that went down today, for example)

SonicYouth34 · Post #8 » by **SonicYouth34** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:05 am

Inside/Outside wrote:He ate Danny Ainge's special dietary lunch, same as Antoine Walker.

This

e in boulder · Post #9 » by **e in boulder** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:13 am

First and foremost, I do hope we keep Rajon Rondo.

To play devil's advocate, having a PG who can't shoot ruins our spacing. Defenses can double Ray and Paul without even flinching, and Rondo gets in "passive" mode too easily which basically makes us run a 3 on 5 offense at crucial points. We lost the Orlando series because we couldn't get a consistent offense going for crap (that and our best player was out for the playoffs). Also, for a slashing point guard like Rondo to be so terrible at shooting FT's - it almost evens out.

This is probably an unpopular opinion, but for ONE season and for THIS current team I would rather have Andre Miller.

Of course I would rather get to banner 20 in the next 10 years and for that, a Rondo trade would upset me. The talent is there, you have to believe the maturity will come and I pray to god he's working on free throws the entire offseason.

DONT DO IT DANNY!

jfs1000d · Post #10 » by **jfs1000d** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:53 am

The truth is we would be an elite team with our without Rondo. He has high value, but the Celtics can't pay him a large contract and remain flexible. We either trade him now, or, he will diminsih in value because he will have a large contract hanging over his head.

The truth of the matter is any PG would have done in 2008. IN 2009, that as "Rondo goes, so goes the Cs" was not a good thing. I find his inconsistency the most troublesome part. He isn't good enough to build around, and that is the problem.

Ainge knows the NBA. You either get a star or you use the quasi star to turn it into efficient role players. Rondo simply is an above average PG who would, by virtue of being on a title team, paid like a star. You can't do that. Rondo is a complimentary player.

Tricky Ricky · Post #11 » by **Tricky Ricky** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:16 am

Because people would rather overplay a washed up player than sign Rondo?

Post #12 » by **DJhitek** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:40 am

I personally don't get it at all, Rondo is a three point shot away from being a dominant PG in this league. I just don't get it at all...

da_truth34 · Post #13 » by **da_truth34** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:13 am

nothing, just boston fans being (Please Use More Appropriate Word) as usual...I mean you'd trade 2 of your key players who helped win a title last year right?

e in boulder · Post #14 » by **e in boulder** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:14 am

da_truth34 wrote:nothing, just boston fans being (Please Use More Appropriate Word) as usual...I mean you'd trade 2 of your key players who helped win a title last year right?

I didn't know Boston fans ran the Celtics' front office.

Cool off, these threads are reactionary to internet reports. It's a day before the draft in which we have the 58th pick. What the hell else are we supposed to talk about?

MyInsatiableOne · Post #15 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:19 am

DJhitek wrote:I personally don't get it at all, Rondo is a three point shot away from being a dominant PG in this league. I just don't get it at all...

Settle down...he needs to develop an actual jumper before he moves out to 3-pt land...

Kefa461 · Post #16 » by **Kefa461** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:21 am

I'm more persuaded by what several league sources told me about Doc Rivers' relationship with Rondo. They say Rivers has told them that Rondo is "impossible to coach" and "stubborn." The worry is that if the Celtics give him a big contract extension next year, he'll be even more unmanageable in the future. So the Celtics are trying to trade him now, while his trade value is high, to avoid a very difficult decision a year from now. ESPN.com

8-)

GreenDreamer · Post #17 » by **GreenDreamer** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:13 pm

Yep, and the fact that Doc's offense is an abomination shouldn't figure into it, eh? Stubborn? Yeah, that Rondo is. He doesn't hold a candle to Doc who continues to pursue his offensive philosophy and blame the players for its failures. Check out the stats. The turnovers go with Doc's offense like peanut butter and jelly. He used to say " I don't have the vets who can execute my offense." What's his excuse now?

jfs1000d · Post #18 » by **jfs1000d** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:27 pm

GreenDreamer wrote:Yep, and the fact that Doc's offense is an abomination shouldn't figure into it, eh? Stubborn? Yeah, that Rondo is. He doesn't hold a candle to Doc who continues to pursue his offensive philosophy and blame the players for its failures. Check out the stats. The turnovers go with Doc's offense like peanut butter and jelly. He used to say " I don't have the vets who can execute my offense." What's his excuse now?

You Rondo's agent bro?

MyInsatiableOne · Post #19 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:37 pm

GreenDreamer wrote:Yep, and the fact that Doc's offense is an abomination shouldn't figure into it, eh? Stubborn? Yeah, that Rondo is. He doesn't hold a candle to Doc who continues to pursue his offensive philosophy and blame the players for its failures. Check out the stats. The turnovers go with Doc's offense like peanut butter and jelly. He used to say " I don't have the vets who can execute my offense." What's his excuse now?

Because Doc is *totally* the one handling the ball and making **** passes...

No one complained about the offense in 2007-08... :roll:

MyInsatiableOne · Post #20 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:37 pm

jfs1000d wrote:
GreenDreamer wrote:Yep, and the fact that Doc's offense is an abomination shouldn't figure into it, eh? Stubborn? Yeah, that Rondo is. He doesn't hold a candle to Doc who continues to pursue his offensive philosophy and blame the players for its failures. Check out the stats. The turnovers go with Doc's offense like peanut butter and jelly. He used to say " I don't have the vets who can execute my offense." What's his excuse now?

You Rondo's boyfriend bro?

Fixed