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I think if Golden State isn't putting Curry in the deal then we could definitely outbid them. Ray and Rondo for Amare, Barbosa and possibly Earl Clark or Robin Lopez is a decent offer.

Phoenix could probably get David Lee for Nash and Tyson Chandler for Ben Wallace. This would take care of their center and power forward spots.

If Rondo really said he'd sign for 5 years and $50 million, I don't see any reason to trade him. Especially for Amare, when we already have starters at the 4 and 5. Sure, we'd have a sick big man rotation, but I doubt it would work. Amare wants to be the man wherever he goes, and that won't happen in Boston so he'd most likely cause problems. Barbosa isn't a starting PG, and is a much better 6th man than a starting SG.

This trade would basically kill our chances at winning the title.

bove310 wrote:Amare wants to be the man wherever he goes, and that won't happen in Boston so he'd most likely cause problems.

If I were Amare I'd much rather go to Boston. Golden State isn't going to make the playoffs anytime soon. Unless we're talking about a 1st round knockout.

I really don't understand this infatuation everyone has with landing Amare. Rondo's contract demands aren't so bad, Perk is the perfect compliment to KG, and we'd have to gut a championship caliber team without addressing any of the problems that this roster has right now. Seriously, someone please explain to me how this is a good idea at all, ideally without any conjecture about Danny Ainge, smokescreens, or attitude.

Inside/Outside wrote:I really don't understand this infatuation everyone has with landing Amare.

Amare's stats say it all. (21.4 ppg, 8.1 rpg) If KG or Perk get injured during the season/playoffs we would still have a great chance of winning the title. Plus Barbosa seems like a solid defender and he can actually shoot.

why stop at Amare? Lets get Lebron too. Is Chris Paul available? Im sure they would love Scals expiring contract.

BakersDozen wrote:why stop at Amare? Lets get Lebron too. Is Chris Paul available? Im sure they would love Scals expiring contract.

Phoenix wants to rebuild and save money. Unless you've been living under a rock you've heard the rumors. I think we could offer what they want.

BakersDozen wrote:why stop at Amare? Lets get Lebron too. Is Chris Paul available? Im sure they would love Scals expiring contract.

Amare is available and is a franchise player at 26 years old. Guys like this aren't available often.

cfan79 wrote:

Inside/Outside wrote:I really don't understand this infatuation everyone has with landing Amare.

Amare's stats say it all. (21.4 ppg, 8.1 rpg) If KG or Perk get injured during the season/playoffs we would still have a great chance of winning the title. Plus Barbosa seems like a solid defender and he can actually shoot.

Dude, I've actually checked out the Phoenix boards when we've played them, and I'm telling you that they would swap out Barbosa with Rondo in a heartbeat. They get to see him all the time and actually understand how average he is. He is NOT a good defender and sure he can shoot. Is he a point guard? No. Considering that he struggled immesnsely in Porter's slowed down offense last season, what actually makes you think that playing in Doc's slow offense would be any better?

Amare felt that he didn't score enough, and he scored 21.4 points per game. What does that tell YOU. He is not a good defender, and grabbed 8.1 rebounds per game playing almost 37 minutes a night without any real competition for them other than Shaq. That would translate to about 7 on this team, with our bunch going after them

Actually let me expand on that here are the rebounding rates of our guys

Perk 16.7
KG 16.6
Rondo 9.6
Paul 9.2
Ray 5.9

Now here are the Suns

Shaq 16.4
Amare12.9
Hill 9.7
J Rich - 7.9
Nash 5.2

Factor in that Amare and KG's injuries offset each other, and what you have is a lot less competition for rebounds for Amare, yet he is still mediocre for a PF at rebounding. What we he do around here?

I'm also very wary of his knees and of his overall motivation. The idea that KG would get him going is pretty misguided, IMO. It isn't like this dude hasn't been around some elite level players, and high character guys. Paul is the kind of guy who literally will pick his teeth up off the floor and go back into the game, and has always been that way. A hyper competitive warrior. Ray was a renowned character guy before he got here. Rondo and Perk are gritty tough younguns. These guys weren't transfornmed into different people by KG. They were completely ready to be down with winning and sacrificing to do so. Is Amare? He hasn't been to this point, evidently.

I find it interesting that people have been pointing out Rondo's stubborness (I am not saying that you have been), but Rondo busts his ass out there, whatever you want to say about him. You don't average 9.8 rebounds a game in the playoffs when you are 6 feet tall if you aren't doing that. This is a whole different level of basd attitude. This guy just doesn't try. Either that, or he is so afraid that he'll hurt himself that he knowingly takes the easy road. You want to be paying max money to a guy like that?

guys Amare is going to Phx because they are offering the better package. can you honestly tell me you guys would rather have Rondo over Biedrins/Bellinelli/Wright and possible Curry?

BakersDozen wrote:guys Amare is going to Phx because they are offering the better package. can you honestly tell me you guys would rather have Rondo over Biedrins/Bellinelli/Wright and possible Curry?

I really like Biedrins. The rest you can keep. Not at the price of Rondo, though.

BakersDozen wrote:guys Amare is going to Phx because they are offering the better package. can you honestly tell me you guys would rather have Rondo over Biedrins/Bellinelli/Wright and possible Curry?

I think Phoenix would rather have Ray and Rondo. Biedrins is a good big man, but his contract goes until 2014. That seems like a long time for a player whose coming off an injured season. Bellnelli seemed to fall out of favor with Don Nelson and it doesn't seem like he ever liked Wright.

Plus I've heard from Nelson and their GM that Curry's going nowhere.

GreenDreamer wrote:
Dude, I've actually checked out the Phoenix boards when we've played them, and I'm telling you that they would swap out Barbosa with Rondo in a heartbeat. They get to see him all the time and actually understand how average he is. He is NOT a good defender and sure he can shoot. Is he a point guard? No. Considering that he struggled immesnsely in Porter's slowed down offense last season, what actually makes you think that playing in Doc's slow offense would be any better?

This deal isn't to get Barbosa, its to get Amare. Danny seems to really like him and even had good things to say about him back when he was drafted. I can understand what you're saying about Barbosa, but he's put up impressive numbers. Plus he must have to defend Nash's man a lot because he can't defend.

cfan79 wrote:

BakersDozen wrote:guys Amare is going to Phx because they are offering the better package. can you honestly tell me you guys would rather have Rondo over Biedrins/Bellinelli/Wright and possible Curry?

I think Phoenix would rather have Ray and Rondo. Biedrins is a good big man, but his contract goes until 2014. That seems like a long time for a player whose coming off an injured season. Bellnelli seemed to fall out of favor with Don Nelson and it doesn't seem like he ever liked Wright.

Plus I've heard from Nelson and their GM that Curry's going nowhere.

What you are missing about Biedrins is that he is around Rondo's age. It feels as if the guy has been around forever, but he really is still a kid, and is already really good. Came into the league when he was just 18. Just look at how much Perk has grown in the last couple of years. I wouldn't be down on getting him at all. Just not at the price of Rondo.

Don is just getting weird in his old age, IMO. He likes this guy, he doesn't like him the next month. Bellinelli is a pretty solid player, IMO. Sure as hell gave us problems on both ends when we played them. Wright isn't my cup of tea. Curry? I have serious doubts about his value. If he can be a point guard, and a good one, then he could be successful. If not then he's just an undersized, unathletic 2. not a good combo in the NBA.

cfan79 wrote:Amare's stats say it all. (21.4 ppg, 8.1 rpg)

If that was the case it would be ridiculous not to try and trade for Zach Randolph instead, he would have a cheaper price.

I would possibly rather have GS' package than Amare. Biedrins is real young, his offensive potential is underrated, less of an injury threat, and he's a better fit alongside KG. When Phoenix played him at Center do you realize how much of a doormat Amare used to be defensively?

I wouldn't be anxious to trade Rondo for these considerations.

I would trade ray and Perk for Amare and heres why. We can easily get a back up who just want to hustle and play D. So the Amare starts at the 5 w/ kg at the 4. Then Amare stays out with the second unit and slides to the 4. Then when Kg comes back in he takes amares spot. Then in the 4th quarter you leave your starting 5 out as long as you can together.

If we could sign Marion at MLE money he can give us productivity at the 3 and 4, and we still have Perk and Ray. I would sign Swift to come in and bang with the bigger teams in the league along with Davis. Don't really care if Marbury re-signs with Rondo still here, cause we still have House and I believe Pruitt still has a shot at the team if we don't re-sign Marbury because there aren't a lot of minutes behind Rondo anyway.

Celtics_85 wrote:I would sign Swift to come in and bang with the bigger teams in the league along with Davis.

I would never sign Robert Swift

1. he's injury prone
and
2. he sucks

I can't think of any player who was derailed by injuries like Swift and managed to develop into a decent contributor. Still wouldn't mind giving him a roster spot as a POB-type project. He's a big body w/ good footwork and timing that you can't really teach.

Biedrins (who went in the same draft) would be a great pick-up- if Golden State wants to dump salary, getting Biedrins would be worth taking on a bad contract or giving up Perk or Rondo. Who knows what Golden State is doing?