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OT: Gordon and Villanueva to Detroit
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 3:40 pm
by campybatman
Well, at least Villanueva isn't signing with Cleveland.
Chicago Bulls guard Ben Gordon and Milwaukee Bucks forward Charlie Villanueva flew to Detroit on Wednesday morning for a mid-day meeting with team president Joe Dumars and indications are both are moving rapidly toward deals with the Detroit Pistons, league and sources close to the two players told Yahoo! Sports.
Gordon and Villanueva, both unrestricted free agents, would be significant strikes on the first full day of NBA free agency.
Gordon and Villanueva have history together, and are good friends. They played one season together at the University of Connecticut. The Pistons have nearly $20 million in salary-cap space and it’s thought that the offers to these two players would come close to expending that money.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... &type=lgns
Re: OT: Gordon and Villanueva to Detroit
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 3:56 pm
by BakersDozen
I dont really get the Gordon signing to be honest. Are they planning on using a Rip/Gordon back court? Is Rip now on the block? I dont think either of these guys are coming off the bench and it wouldnt shock me if Gordon being assured he would start was a selling point. I would think an Artest signing would have been much better for Detroit.... but then I rememberd a little incident 4 or 5 years back....
Re: OT: Gordon and Villanueva to Detroit
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 3:58 pm
by Gant
They would have a lot of wings. Gordon and Hamilton at the 2, Prince at 3, Villanueva at 3/4, Stuckey's sort of comboish.
If they lose Rasheed and McDyess who are their big men? Just Kwame and Maxiell?
Re: OT: Gordon and Villanueva to Detroit
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 4:05 pm
by CelticFaninLBC
Am assuming Rip Hamilton's on the trading block...
Re: OT: Gordon and Villanueva to Detroit
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 4:05 pm
by Rocky5000
3 UCONN guys on one team. This must mean that Dumars is looking to move Hamilton. He's been unhappy in Detroit, after Chauncey was traded. He has a right to be too, they extended his contract and didn't tell him that Billups was going to be traded in a week.
Re: OT: Gordon and Villanueva to Detroit
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 4:07 pm
by BakersDozen
the two premier bigmen fa's were both Pistons last season. Im guessing they will go hard after Gortat. I think Channing Frye is still worth a look.... blast me if you want but I think i'd rather Frye on our team then Baby.
Re: OT: Gordon and Villanueva to Detroit
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 4:08 pm
by Hemingway
They would be silly to trade Rip. He just seems like a player who will always be worth more to you not to trade because he does so many small things. Maybe its just me loving Uconn players.
Re: OT: Gordon and Villanueva to Detroit
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 4:21 pm
by campybatman
I've to believe as well that this sets up for Hamilton getting traded elsewhere. He was unhappy with the addition of Iverson this season, and adding Gordon would do it to him again. Like Ray, he's getting older and deserves to be on a winning team as he's still a viable starting option at shooting guard. If Boston didn't already have Ray, I would want Ainge to attempt to acquire him. Maybe he could land with Dallas. Just throwing this out there, Shawne Williams, Stackhouse and George for Hamilton works. They're all expiring contracts.
Re: OT: Gordon and Villanueva to Detroit
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 4:27 pm
by greenbeans
Detroit should trade for Okafor and Boone then sign Marcus Williams as their backup pg and reunite that 03-04 Uconn team.
Re: OT: Gordon and Villanueva to Detroit
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 4:33 pm
by CelticFaninLBC
Can see a 3 way deal where Rip's sent to Dallas, expiring contracts are sent to New Orleans and Tyson Chandler goes to Detroit.
Re: OT: Gordon and Villanueva to Detroit
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 4:47 pm
by campybatman
I like that for Detroit. Chandler is underrated. Oh, and those three players for him would work. I don't think the Hornets do it, though. I suggested it for the Pistons since it doesn't mess them up for 2010. But I reckon that doesn't matter if they spend a lot for both of the aforementioned free agents.
Re: OT: Gordon and Villanueva to Detroit
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 5:00 pm
by ParticleMan
Would anyone here trade Ray for Rip?
They'd need to throw in something, like Kwame, to make the salary work (I'm assuming this would happen after they signed BG and CV so they wouldn't have capspace anymore).
Rip makes a lot less money, is younger, and has a decent long-term deal. But Ray is a better distance shooter and he is clutch and he might re-sign with us for less anyway.
Tough call...
Re: OT: Gordon and Villanueva to Detroit
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 5:02 pm
by CelticFaninLBC
bonsaiflipflops wrote:I like that for Detroit. Chandler is underrated. Oh, and those three players for him would work. I don't think the Hornets do it, though. I suggested it for the Pistons since it doesn't mess them up for 2010. But I reckon that doesn't matter if they spend a lot for both of the aforementioned free agents.
NO's trying to cut payroll any way possible and this would save them money in 10-11. Actually this may be better, although Rip may be ticked off.
Clippers get Rip
NO gets Camby & Ricky Davis
Detroit gets Chanfdler
Re: OT: Gordon and Villanueva to Detroit
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 5:07 pm
by Who-rod
I'll tell you, if they signed Charlie V, and Ben Gordon, and then also nabbed Chandler, you know who would look ideal driving that athletic ship? Yup, our very own Rajon Rondo. I think Dumars is a terribly overrated GM.
Re: OT: Gordon and Villanueva to Detroit
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 5:09 pm
by campybatman
I was going under the premise of Hamilton to Dallas. Hamilton to the Clippers will stunt the growth of E. Gordon. Besides, Hamilton and B. Davis in the back court is a pricey tandem.
Re: OT: Gordon and Villanueva to Detroit
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 5:14 pm
by campybatman
Who-rod wrote:I'll tell you, if they signed Charlie V, and Ben Gordon, and then also nabbed Chandler, you know who would look ideal driving that athletic ship? Yup, our very own Rajon Rondo. I think Dumars is a terribly overrated GM.
You should read this, if you haven't already.
Detroit Refuses Rondo?http://dberri.wordpress.com/2009/06/29/ ... ses-rondo/
Re: OT: Gordon and Villanueva to Detroit
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 5:18 pm
by spf211
Looks like Detroit is headed for a decade of mediocrity!
Re: OT: Gordon and Villanueva to Detroit
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 5:37 pm
by TheOGJabroni
I feel like this would make sense if they had actually pulled that deal with us - Rondo and Ray for Stuck, Rip, and Tayshaun.
Kwame?
Maxiell
Charlie V
Ray / Ben G
Rondo
right now it just looks too clustered.
Re: OT: Gordon and Villanueva to Detroit
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 5:39 pm
by threrf23
ParticleMan wrote:Would anyone here trade Ray for Rip?
They'd need to throw in something, like Kwame, to make the salary work (I'm assuming this would happen after they signed BG and CV so they wouldn't have capspace anymore).
Rip makes a lot less money, is younger, and has a decent long-term deal. But Ray is a better distance shooter and he is clutch and he might re-sign with us for less anyway.
Tough call...
Ray is a better all around player. Rip is younger but hasn't gotten past the "hump" yet - a lot of guards run into injury issues that are at least temporary around the age of 31/32 (Ray did too, but he got back up afterwards). Given what Rip bases his game on it wouldn't surprise me to see him go down with a season ending injury some point over the next two seasons, like Ray did a few years ago. It takes a certain player to play such an active game into their thirties without missing too much of a beat, and Rip has never been on Ray's level. I actually view Rip as a bigger injury threat than I view Ray.
Re: OT: Gordon and Villanueva to Detroit
Posted: Wed Jul 1, 2009 5:41 pm
by meatball sub
This is not something that Detroit fans should be excited about. At all.