Celtics are still better then the Lakers

cfan79 · Post #1 » by **cfan79** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 1:47 pm

We still have them on 3 or 4 of their starters. Plus if we have Rasheed off the bench they have nothing that can match that. So-called experts will continue to overlook us though just like they did in 2008. Heck I think the Spurs if healthy are better then the Lakers.

Perk > Bynum
KG > Gasol
Pierce > Artest
R.Allen < Bryant
Rondo > Fisher

C's bench (Rasheed, House) > Lakers bench (Odom)

Lewis35 · Post #2 » by **Lewis35** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 1:51 pm

Come on dude the lakers are stacked right now and are scary good. I personally do not think we are getting Sheed so right now the celtics bench persists of House, Veal and Swift (yes I said Swift because Ainge will sign him)

The lakers have Farmer, Walton and Vuiacic and even Morrison coming off the bench.

Post #3 » by **Celtics_Champs** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 1:59 pm

We don't have rasheed.

We want him.

cfan79 · Post #4 » by **cfan79** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 2:10 pm

Ensoul wrote:Come on dude the lakers are stacked right now and are scary good. I personally do not think we are getting Sheed so right now the celtics bench persists of House, Veal and Swift (yes I said Swift because Ainge will sign him)

The lakers have Farmer, Walton and Vuiacic and even Morrison coming off the bench.

Thanks for proving my point. They got a bench of whiteys who can't defend. Walton's the only one that's isn't a dreadful all around player. Even he was dominated by Leon Powe etc when we played them.

Derekman · Post #5 » by **Derekman** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 2:12 pm

I'm not trying to troll here but i have an honest question. How well does Artest cover Pierce? Cause in the finals, it seemed like Paul was hitting every clutch shot or making every clutch play for you guys.

akola · Post #6 » by **akola** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 2:15 pm

I LOVES it when people use > < > < to determine whether a team is better than another.

cfan79 · Post #7 » by **cfan79** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 2:16 pm

Derekman wrote:I'm not trying to troll here but i have an honest question. How well does Artest cover Pierce? Cause in the finals, it seemed like Paul was hitting every clutch shot or making every clutch play for you guys.

Back when we didn't have any other offensive threats Paul couldn't hit sh*t against him. Luckily we actually have other guys who aren't complete morons now. Last couple of times Paul played very well.

cfan79 · Post #8 » by **cfan79** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 2:17 pm

akola wrote:I LOVES it when people use > < > < to determine whether a team is better than another.

Here's one for you

Celtics 2008 title team > Lakers 2009 title team

LAKESHOW · Post #9 » by **LAKESHOW** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 2:22 pm

who knows until they actually play a game. but right now, the big talk is from the top 3 players of this era. (post jordan era). the players who have won the most titles, tim duncan, shaq and kobe. each with 4 rings. shaq is pushing hard to get that 5th. and believe this, the spurs are laying in the background, but they are going to make a serious drive this year. those are the teams with serious serious threats this upcoming year for the title. and it will be in my estimation the final 4.

san antonio
LAKERs
celtics
cleveland

portland is a year away for serious contention. orlando still has question marks.

but these are the 4 who can win and win it all right away. all we are doing is building towards strengthening ourselves for a strong push to repeat. artest is older than ariza, but he is also more versatile, as he can rebound, post up, has handles and shoot.

so the comparisons dont stop with the LAKERs, but the spurs and parker vs. rondo for example. or duncan vs. kg. or kobe vs. bron. or shaq vs. perkins. these 4 are the main title contenders imo.

Banks2Pierce · Post #10 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 2:35 pm

I seem to remember Paul doing phenomenal against Artest. Remember that play where Artest couldn't stop him so he drooped him and Paul still drilled the shot in his face?? Or against Indiana where Al Harrington and Ron Artest were double teaming him, Pierce called them both over to cover him and Paul still drilled the fadeaway?

Post #11 » by **canman1971** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 2:44 pm

Threads like these accomplish one thing: invite trolls.

BillessuR6 · Post #12 » by **BillessuR6** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 2:50 pm

I still think we have the best starting 5 in the NBA. But our bench sucks! LA`s isn`t much better but we have to worry about ORL and CLE first. Let SA worry about the lakers.

We need to add a couple of nice bench players in order to win against CLE, ORL, LA, SA...

MasterRyu · Post #13 » by **MasterRyu** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 3:09 pm

you know...I might agree that if Celtics get Sheed, they're a notch above the Lakers. LA just lost a Rodman-type player (hustles, loose balls, steals) in Ariza. Against the Celtics and the top defensive teams in the league, you need this type of player, which Artest is not. Yes Artest is a good low post defender, IMO Gasol was absolutely great at defending his position last year.

BUt regardless, all this talk is meaningless, especially well before November. You don't know how things will be until the first few months of the season. Save your breath guys.

humblebum · Post #14 » by **humblebum** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 3:27 pm

Pierce has had some problems with Artest in the past but overall he still basically gets his when he needs to. I don't think Artest is as important to stopping Pierce as the length of Gasol, Bynum. Pierce can always get by the first defender but now that he's lost some of his quickness shotblockers can really stifle his slashing game.

If the C's add Rasheed that would really help to mitigate the Lakers ridiculous length along the front line. With Rasheed and Garnett up front that would help to open up driving lanes for Pierce and I'll feel really good about Pierce going up against any defender in space.

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #15 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 3:36 pm

canman1971 wrote:Threads like these accomplish one thing: invite trolls.

I agree.

And I'll take it a step further - the Lakers just upgraded their roster. They beat the Celts twice last year without Artest. I don't know how we can actually come to the conclusion that the Cs are "better" than the Lakers. We haven't made any upgrades, and we've lost Leon Powe who was huge against the Lakers 2 years ago.

cfan79 wrote:
Thanks for proving my point. They got a bench of whiteys who can't defend.

Yes, our bench full of soul brothers who can defend automatically makes us better right? :roll:

humblebum · Post #16 » by **humblebum** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 3:51 pm

Ya, right now the Celtics leader is rehabbing a surgically repaired knee with a lot of mileage, they have no bench to speak of, and we're better than the Lakers with them adding Artest?

chakdaddy · Post #17 » by **chakdaddy** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 4:03 pm

Last year we were, no doubt.

But now their Big 3 is better than ours.
Kobe > Pierce
Artest > Allen
Gasol < KG

Their next two guys in Bynum/Odom are potentially better than Perk/Rondo as well - that's quite variable depending on Bynum's comeback, and Odom and Rondo's inconsistency.

I guess Rasheed will help us a lot, but I just feel like we need something liek Rasheed + Marion to keep up. Which is impossible with only 1 MLE.

wigglestrue · Post #18 » by **wigglestrue** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 4:07 pm

Right now, the Celtics are not better than the Lakers. On paper, at least.

JellyBean · Post #19 » by **JellyBean** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 4:17 pm

Better than the Lakers? lol, we can't even beat them last year with a KG in the line up,we got swept by them in the regular season remember? They've upgraded and what have we done so far, downgrade even more? We won the chip, but what happens after? Go cheap and low balling players? Look at the Lakers after winning the chip; they got even stronger. Look at the CAVS and Spurs; they reinforce to make the team better. Look at the Celtics; they're becoming the Clippers.

I think this is the year I won't be subscribing to the NBA League Pass to watch my beloved Celtics. There won't be anything exciting to watch this year knowing they won't get too far in the end.

Danny, do something please. Celtics owners, don't be cheap ass.

ShowtimeFan · Post #20 » by **ShowtimeFan** » Fri Jul 3, 2009 4:22 pm

cfan79 wrote:We still have them on 3 or 4 of their starters. Plus if we have Rasheed off the bench they have nothing that can match that. So-called experts will continue to overlook us though just like they did in 2008. Heck I think the Spurs if healthy are better then the Lakers.

Perk > Bynum
KG > Gasol
Pierce > Artest
R.Allen < Bryant
Rondo > Fisher

C's bench (Rasheed, House) > Lakers bench (Odom)

You forgot one thing: Celtics Bench < Odom (and for the color counters, he is NOT white)

Here is hoping the Celts and Lakers meet in the Finals next season! Then we will know for sure...

See you guys on Christmas day, unless it is Lakers vs Cavs..